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If managing families and raising children is such an honored and fulfilling role and makes you the backbone of society, why don't conservative men fall over the

If managing families and raising children is such an honored and fulfilling role and makes you the backbone of society, why don't conservative men fall over themselves to fill that role? My guess would be that they don't actually believe their own ad copy.

coldtea 13y ago
>why don't conservative men fall over themselves to fill that role? Because different sexes perform different roles in different species? Even watched a nature documentary?
ajuc 13y ago
Just as there are roles specified by society for women - there are roles specified for men. Actually nowadays I think men have much less choice than women if they care about society opinion at all. Nobody blinks an eye when some women doesn't have kids and choose career. On the other hand being a "house husband" that doesn't work and "only" deal with house and kids is still considered weird and people think you are "not 100% man". See the whole "real men" stereotype. There's no "real women" stereotype. We have one sex that have a choice, and one that doesn't. It's even visible in fashion. Women wear what they want. Men doesn't wear dresses. BTW at least part of the differences in salaries is direct consequence of that. People expect men to keep working no matter the family situation, because "man should work". With women there's significant probability that they'll eventually choose kids, and salary reflects that belief. Feminists try to deal with the salary gap by regulation - I don't think it will work. You need to change society so men have same choice women have. It will be even harder.
- rbehrends 13y ago
  I don't necessarily disagree [1]. The point that I was making was that childcare is often sold as a high-status job, when in reality it is generally a low-status, low-reward job. This ties directly into your argument about stay-at-home dads being looked down upon. It's the other side of the same coin. [1] Nor do I necessarily agree, either, but I don't want to get sidetracked.
spindritf 13y ago
> why don't conservative men fall over themselves to fill that role? Because it doesn't work. Women prefer uncaring[1], unpredictable[2] guys over dutiful housemates[3][4]. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22517110 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22517110 [2] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/opinion/sunday/i-heart-unpredictable-love.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/opinion/sunday/i-heart-unp... [3] http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/asa-shw012413.php http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/asa-shw012413... [4] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9572187/Couples-who-share-the-housework-are-more-likely-to-divorce-study-finds.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9572187/Cou...

coldtea 13y ago

>why don't conservative men fall over themselves to fill that role? Because different sexes perform different roles in different species? Even watched a nature documentary?

ajuc 13y ago

Just as there are roles specified by society for women - there are roles specified for men. Actually nowadays I think men have much less choice than women if they care about society opinion at all. Nobody blinks an eye when some women doesn't have kids and choose career. On the other hand being a "house husband" that doesn't work and "only" deal with house and kids is still considered weird and people think you are "not 100% man". See the whole "real men" stereotype. There's no "real women" stereotype. We have one sex that have a choice, and one that doesn't. It's even visible in fashion. Women wear what they want. Men doesn't wear dresses. BTW at least part of the differences in salaries is direct consequence of that. People expect men to keep working no matter the family situation, because "man should work". With women there's significant probability that they'll eventually choose kids, and salary reflects that belief. Feminists try to deal with the salary gap by regulation - I don't think it will work. You need to change society so men have same choice women have. It will be even harder.

rbehrends 13y ago
I don't necessarily disagree [1]. The point that I was making was that childcare is often sold as a high-status job, when in reality it is generally a low-status, low-reward job. This ties directly into your argument about stay-at-home dads being looked down upon. It's the other side of the same coin. [1] Nor do I necessarily agree, either, but I don't want to get sidetracked.

spindritf 13y ago

> why don't conservative men fall over themselves to fill that role? Because it doesn't work. Women prefer uncaring[1], unpredictable[2] guys over dutiful housemates[3][4]. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22517110 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22517110 [2] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/opinion/sunday/i-heart-unpredictable-love.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/opinion/sunday/i-heart-unp... [3] http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/asa-shw012413.php http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/asa-shw012413... [4] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9572187/Couples-who-share-the-housework-are-more-likely-to-divorce-study-finds.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9572187/Cou...