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Ok, conspiracy theories gone crazy here but here goes... GreEnwald is exposed down there in Brazil. A petty street robbery gone bad, a car accident, or a simpl

by junto 13y ago

Ok, conspiracy theories gone crazy here but here goes... GreEnwald is exposed down there in Brazil. A petty street robbery gone bad, a car accident, or a simple "sudden" heart attack, could all make this into a nothing event. People in this kind of position have habits of "committing suicide" from the "stress": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams I would put money on the act that Gareth Williams worked on, or knew about both Tempora and Prism. "Williams' working life, after graduating with a first in mathematics in 1996 aged 17, was spent in Cheltenham at GCHQ, Britain’s signals intelligence agency. He joined in 2001 after completing a PhD in computer science at Manchester University. His final role in GCHQ had been designing "practical applications for emerging technologies". In 2007, he applied to become a secret agent by transferring to SIS, the UK's human intelligence agency responsible for spies and spy recruitment. He was put through a series of aptitude and skill tests. He failed. He also attended Black Hat 16 the same year, according to an SIS witness, presumably also then staying on to attend Defcon." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/03/gareth_williams_inquest/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/03/gareth_williams_inqu... Maybe he was Snowden part 1: the failed mission. End conspiracy theory...

malandrew 13y ago
Possibly, however someone in Greenwald's position is almost certain to employ private security and drive in an armored car in Rio de Janeiro. I'm certain he's avoiding situations where scenarios that you listed can play out. It's not hard to do if you have decent money in Brazil. Greenwald is also likely to have friends in Brazil with security resources that could be shared with Greenwald, given that they would be aware of the danger Greenwald has put himself in because of his journalism. The greatest risk would be bribery of his security personnel to provide a "backdoor" for an assassination. If that were the case, it definitely wouldn't look like one of the scenarios you described. It would be obvious that it is a targeted assassination. FWIW: I'm Brazilian, have lived in both Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo and have had known many people with private security and armored cars there.
- danenania 13y ago
  Actually I think that something happening to Greenwald would make matters much worse for the NSA. They would immediately be suspected by everyone on the planet whether they were involved or not, Greenwald would become a martyr, the leaks would certainly come out regardless, and any shred of credibility they had left would be gone forever.
  - junto 13y ago
    Martyrs are only possible if the populous see them as such. In today's world you need the media to treat him as a martyr to make him one in the general public's eyes. There is currently a smear campaign against him stating things like, "he is no longer just a journalist, but actively aiding and abetting the enemy", "aiding a fugitive", "helping to commit treason", gay with a green-card-denied-gay-lover, etc The knives are out. He would be a martyr to a few that cared. The ambivalence in the masses to this subject is truly scary. Greenwood is being treated like Applebaum and the other Wikileaks personnel surrounding Assange. They are viable targets as they are aiding dissenters that are determined, effective and dangerous to the status quo. I don't actually believe that the US is going to try and remove Greenwald from the picture now, but not for the reasons you state. The dam is breached so he is no longer a real threat. The usual process now is to control the response, public opinion and any senators that might raise any opposition. They are very very good at it; well practiced and effective. You don't go up against the combined resources of the United States government and expect to win. This is like a gnat attacking an elephant. If Greenwald strikes any more than a flesh wound on the US government then I'd be surprised. They are already back to business as usual and now with the added cart blanche, which is the knowledge that the public know they are being spied on, but the NSA now know that most of them don't give a shit, as long as they can still read status updates on Facebook.
rhizome 13y ago
Well if you're going to put all that effort into a conspiracy, why assume he's actually in Brazil?

by junto 13y ago

malandrew 13y ago

Possibly, however someone in Greenwald's position is almost certain to employ private security and drive in an armored car in Rio de Janeiro. I'm certain he's avoiding situations where scenarios that you listed can play out. It's not hard to do if you have decent money in Brazil. Greenwald is also likely to have friends in Brazil with security resources that could be shared with Greenwald, given that they would be aware of the danger Greenwald has put himself in because of his journalism. The greatest risk would be bribery of his security personnel to provide a "backdoor" for an assassination. If that were the case, it definitely wouldn't look like one of the scenarios you described. It would be obvious that it is a targeted assassination. FWIW: I'm Brazilian, have lived in both Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo and have had known many people with private security and armored cars there.

danenania 13y ago
Actually I think that something happening to Greenwald would make matters much worse for the NSA. They would immediately be suspected by everyone on the planet whether they were involved or not, Greenwald would become a martyr, the leaks would certainly come out regardless, and any shred of credibility they had left would be gone forever.
- junto 13y ago
  Martyrs are only possible if the populous see them as such. In today's world you need the media to treat him as a martyr to make him one in the general public's eyes. There is currently a smear campaign against him stating things like, "he is no longer just a journalist, but actively aiding and abetting the enemy", "aiding a fugitive", "helping to commit treason", gay with a green-card-denied-gay-lover, etc The knives are out. He would be a martyr to a few that cared. The ambivalence in the masses to this subject is truly scary. Greenwood is being treated like Applebaum and the other Wikileaks personnel surrounding Assange. They are viable targets as they are aiding dissenters that are determined, effective and dangerous to the status quo. I don't actually believe that the US is going to try and remove Greenwald from the picture now, but not for the reasons you state. The dam is breached so he is no longer a real threat. The usual process now is to control the response, public opinion and any senators that might raise any opposition. They are very very good at it; well practiced and effective. You don't go up against the combined resources of the United States government and expect to win. This is like a gnat attacking an elephant. If Greenwald strikes any more than a flesh wound on the US government then I'd be surprised. They are already back to business as usual and now with the added cart blanche, which is the knowledge that the public know they are being spied on, but the NSA now know that most of them don't give a shit, as long as they can still read status updates on Facebook.

rhizome 13y ago

Well if you're going to put all that effort into a conspiracy, why assume he's actually in Brazil?