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You absolutely can sue the government if their responders fail in their job and someone is hurt or dies. This happens all the time.

• snitko 13y ago
  Can you also stop paying and subscribe to a different service provider?
  • moocowduckquack 13y ago
    Yes. Emigrate and revoke your current citizenship. People do it all the time.
    • snitko 13y ago
      To where? To another country which is going to tax me the same or more?
      • moocowduckquack 13y ago
        You could try Monaco, though you might not like the fact that they have socialised health care. Those billionaire commies.
        • snitko 13y ago
          If there was a 0% tax in Monaco, there would be no way to fund public healthcare. In reality, employers are required to contribute to the CSM (Caisses Sociales de Monaco) for each employee. That's a tax.
          • moocowduckquack 13y ago
            Oh, so not just less tax than your current situation, but 0% tax. Well, you could live on a boat in international waters, or renounce the use of all forms of currency and live on pure barter, however you seem to be asking for a state that cannot raise revenue. There are some of them around the world, but you might want to hire a small military detail if you want to live there, as funnily enough they have a few security issues.
            • snitko 13y ago
              What's so vital about a state that people can't do on their own? What does a state magically accomplish that no one else can?
              • dragonwriter 13y ago
                > What's so vital about a state that people can't do on their own? A state is just a name for people accomplishing certain things on their own; its not actually a real thing with independent existence.
              • nostrademons 13y ago
                Freedom from having people try to kill you on a regular basis. Your argument is that it is unethical for someone to use force to compel someone to do something against there will, right? Well, that works great as long as everyone shares your ethical views. Unfortunately, not everyone does, and there are people in this world who would happily kill you and take all your property if they could. It doesn't even have to be all that many people - if just 0.1% of the population believes "might makes right" and you come in contact with >1000 people, you're probably dead. The reason we have the state is so that we can realize certain economies of scale in protection. We entrust a monopoly on the use of physical force to the state; in return (in lawful democratic regimes), it agrees to use that force only when just. That way we can trust that we can go about our business without being randomly killed by a dude on the street, because they know that they are in for a world of hurt if they kill someone. There have been times (eg. the Wild Wild West in America, or post-Gorbachev looting & unrest in the Soviet Union) where the state has not had that monopoly on force, and it usually ends up being very difficult to conduct business during those times.
      • Locke1689 13y ago
        How is that anyone here's problem? Don't like it -- you can leave. Where you go is your business.
        • snitko 13y ago
          That's not anyone's problem, but it also can't be an argument. When I say taxes are theft and people say I can always leave, they should realize there's nowhere to leave. So you're basically saying: "suck it up and pay and learn to call it taxation instead of theft to make yourself feel better about it. If you disagree, you can go let some other country rob you or go to jail." So yeah, great argument you have.
          • Locke1689 13y ago
            You don't have an argument -- you have an axiom that claims that taxes are theft. Pretty much everyone else disagrees. So are you going to leave or just keep whining like a 5 year old that you can't get your own way?
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            • snitko 13y ago
              Well, then don't you have an axiom that taxes are not theft? Simply because most people agree with you doesn't mean you are right and moral and I am not. Would you call slavery moral? Yet throughout most of the human history, most people had no problem with it. Those who realized it was immoral either kept quiet or were persecuted. Next you will probably tell me: but how can you compare taxation to slavery? Well, both are done by human beings to other humans against their will because the majority implicitly agrees. In both cases, if a person resists, he is punished. Tell me, how is it moral? The only difference is the degree to which the freedom is restricted and fruits of labour are confiscated. If you believe a person made his money in a dishonest way, it is justified that this person is tried and convicted. However, if you agree a person made his money honestly, by benefiting other people and creating value, what moral right on earth do you have to take any of his earned money for any purpose? He didn't rob anyone, he created value, out of nothing. Not you, not any other person has any moral right to confiscate any part of it.
  • bhousel 13y ago
    What are you talking about? Stop paying taxes and get all your public services from another entity?