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Well first he has certainly not taken safety into mind when doing this project. Look at the way he's dressed. (With no protection clothing or eyes or anything)

by larrys 13y ago

Well first he has certainly not taken safety into mind when doing this project. Look at the way he's dressed. (With no protection clothing or eyes or anything). Look at how close he comes to the gasoline. Look at how he's seated so he can't even get away quickly. Look how there is no protective shield. He doesn't even appear to have anyone else there in case of an emergency. He has enough intelligence and curiosity to attempt this but not enough to protect himself. More or less what I would imagine from someone much younger, certainly not a grown man.

jimmyrp 13y ago
> Well first he has certainly not taken safety into mind when doing this project. I'm sure he took the safety precautions he though were worth it. It might not be worthwhile for him to use an additional 20% of his time/money/whatever for the slightly reduced risk.
sandfox 13y ago
And this is why he has done this and you haven't :-p Though seriously, when was HN ever about health and safety?
- archgoon 13y ago
  > Though seriously, when was HN ever about health and safety? The computer version of safety is called security. And HN cares a lot about computer security.
  - robertskmiles 13y ago
    Security, and backups.
  - bigiain 13y ago
    Yeah sure – when it's appropriate. I've got a RaspberryPi within armsreach that's still got the stock ARCH-ARM image with it's default login of root:root. Yeah, I wouldn't deploy it on a public internet exposed network, or give it to someone else who wasn't aware of the implications or consequences of such an insecure machine – but in the privacy of my home network it's just fine. I assume this guy is the same – he needs some increased safety if he wants to show this thing off in public, but in hs own shed he's got every right to accept risks for himself that are inappropriate for other people. I've seen equally and much more "dangerous" projects at Burningman – hell, if he gets this running with any sort of reliability, attaching it to a bicycle and riding it around at Burningman would be a _fabulous_ idea!
noselasd 13y ago
I just watched it, what in particular seemed so dangerous it would warrant so much precaution ?
- larrys 13y ago
  Aerosol can. Spark. Gasoline.
  - jevinskie 13y ago
    Yup, the gasoline splashes out of the bubble carb on every stroke!
    - bigiain 13y ago
      You've never run a motor with the airfilter off, right? My motorcycle motor produces a beautiful cloud of gasoline droplets standing maybe 4 or 5 inches tall above the carburetor throats when you crack the throttle open. There's thousands of car/bike enthusiasts who see that in their garages every weekend. They're not dying in catastrophic accidents all the time.
  - jessaustin 13y ago
    Meh. You folks should have misspent more of your youth burning shit down. Gasoline is highly flammable, but it doesn't light without a spark. Also, the small amount of gasoline he's got in his carb will only produce so much flame. I'm glad he appears to be running this outside. I probably would have worn safety glasses, but then I only have one eye.
    - ricardobeat 13y ago
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TCe9NKtP90 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TCe9NKtP90
      - jessaustin 13y ago
        Awesome! I only watched the first two episodes. The kid at the beginning is doing it right. The old man with the giant brushpile should be using diesel fuel, with perhaps a couple of old tires and a very tiny amount of gasoline since diesel fuel can be difficult to light. (But it burns much steadier, rather than exploding all at once.)
KamiCrit 13y ago
Like a true armchair warrior, how many engines have your tried building?
- larrys 13y ago
  I've purchased and I've operated expensive machinery and I've seen what happens when people don't take appropriate safety precautions. He could have built an enclosure and put this on a table similar to what is used in lab experiments. But please tell me what this has to do with whether I have personally tried to build, in particular, engines?
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neya 13y ago
Agreed...the whole thing looks scary at best!! One small mistake and it could cost his life!!!
bigiain 13y ago
FWIW, I regularly expose myself to pretty much exactly the same danger he's choosing to expose himself to - just because the engines I work on in my garage are made by Ducati or Mazda, it doesn't make my sitting down in non-protective clothing with open containers of gasoline and no eye protection noticeably "safer". (In fact my jeans still smell slightly of the gasoline I spilled on them on Saturday…) I think you'll find a vast number of "grown men" who'd recognise the risks you identify here, and say "Yeah, it's not as safe as sitting on the couch watching TV. Grab a beer and stand back in case this explodes…" And while you might question their intelligence – they'll just as incorrectly question your manhood for doing so…

by larrys 13y ago

jimmyrp 13y ago

> Well first he has certainly not taken safety into mind when doing this project. I'm sure he took the safety precautions he though were worth it. It might not be worthwhile for him to use an additional 20% of his time/money/whatever for the slightly reduced risk.

sandfox 13y ago

And this is why he has done this and you haven't :-p Though seriously, when was HN ever about health and safety?

archgoon 13y ago
> Though seriously, when was HN ever about health and safety? The computer version of safety is called security. And HN cares a lot about computer security.
- robertskmiles 13y ago
  Security, and backups.
- bigiain 13y ago
  Yeah sure – when it's appropriate. I've got a RaspberryPi within armsreach that's still got the stock ARCH-ARM image with it's default login of root:root. Yeah, I wouldn't deploy it on a public internet exposed network, or give it to someone else who wasn't aware of the implications or consequences of such an insecure machine – but in the privacy of my home network it's just fine. I assume this guy is the same – he needs some increased safety if he wants to show this thing off in public, but in hs own shed he's got every right to accept risks for himself that are inappropriate for other people. I've seen equally and much more "dangerous" projects at Burningman – hell, if he gets this running with any sort of reliability, attaching it to a bicycle and riding it around at Burningman would be a _fabulous_ idea!

noselasd 13y ago

I just watched it, what in particular seemed so dangerous it would warrant so much precaution ?

larrys 13y ago
Aerosol can. Spark. Gasoline.
- jevinskie 13y ago
  Yup, the gasoline splashes out of the bubble carb on every stroke!
  - bigiain 13y ago
    You've never run a motor with the airfilter off, right? My motorcycle motor produces a beautiful cloud of gasoline droplets standing maybe 4 or 5 inches tall above the carburetor throats when you crack the throttle open. There's thousands of car/bike enthusiasts who see that in their garages every weekend. They're not dying in catastrophic accidents all the time.
- jessaustin 13y ago
  Meh. You folks should have misspent more of your youth burning shit down. Gasoline is highly flammable, but it doesn't light without a spark. Also, the small amount of gasoline he's got in his carb will only produce so much flame. I'm glad he appears to be running this outside. I probably would have worn safety glasses, but then I only have one eye.
  - ricardobeat 13y ago
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TCe9NKtP90 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TCe9NKtP90
    - jessaustin 13y ago
      Awesome! I only watched the first two episodes. The kid at the beginning is doing it right. The old man with the giant brushpile should be using diesel fuel, with perhaps a couple of old tires and a very tiny amount of gasoline since diesel fuel can be difficult to light. (But it burns much steadier, rather than exploding all at once.)

KamiCrit 13y ago

Like a true armchair warrior, how many engines have your tried building?

larrys 13y ago
I've purchased and I've operated expensive machinery and I've seen what happens when people don't take appropriate safety precautions. He could have built an enclosure and put this on a table similar to what is used in lab experiments. But please tell me what this has to do with whether I have personally tried to build, in particular, engines?
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neya 13y ago

Agreed...the whole thing looks scary at best!! One small mistake and it could cost his life!!!

bigiain 13y ago

FWIW, I regularly expose myself to pretty much exactly the same danger he's choosing to expose himself to - just because the engines I work on in my garage are made by Ducati or Mazda, it doesn't make my sitting down in non-protective clothing with open containers of gasoline and no eye protection noticeably "safer". (In fact my jeans still smell slightly of the gasoline I spilled on them on Saturday…) I think you'll find a vast number of "grown men" who'd recognise the risks you identify here, and say "Yeah, it's not as safe as sitting on the couch watching TV. Grab a beer and stand back in case this explodes…" And while you might question their intelligence – they'll just as incorrectly question your manhood for doing so…