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We all know that nothing, ultimately is free. However, the colloquial usage of the term means free means that the person receiving a free service means they do

We all know that nothing, ultimately is free. However, the colloquial usage of the term means free means that the person receiving a free service means they don't fork over money specifically for that service. Free healthcare means, in essence, a person receiving it is not in danger of going bankrupt or of having significantly less money as a result of the care. I did not make it seem like I pay for k-12 education voluntarily. the opposite is true. It was an essential part of my point that it isn't done voluntarily. It should be forced because some greedy self-centered person will refuse to pay for it. It's called the free rider problem. Societies that don't have free, universal healthcare overwhelmingly have worse health outcomes, and are crappier places to live.

ahallock 13y ago
I find it funny that the person using force is calling the other people greedy and self-centered. You are being self-centered by acting like your ideas and needs trump everyone else's to the point of being mandatory. I'm sorry, they don't. If your ideas are good, you will get support. You can put down the guns. If you have kids and think that education is important (I agree), then work for it and get support from those around you. I know it's not easy as pointing guns at people via the State, but I don't think k-12 education is a hard sell.
- showerst 13y ago
  The problem is, at some point it becomes the _individual's_ best interest not to pay for education, but it's in _everyone's_ best interest to have more education. This is a classic collective action/free rider problem. So you if your ideas are good, you get support from your neighbors, and you get your idea moving, so the benefits start to accrue. Then the situation changes so that education 'exists' whether you individually pay for it or not, so you need to put in some penalty for not-paying otherwise the system falls apart when people start acting in their best interests... and next thing you know you've ended up with governance.

ahallock 13y ago

I find it funny that the person using force is calling the other people greedy and self-centered. You are being self-centered by acting like your ideas and needs trump everyone else's to the point of being mandatory. I'm sorry, they don't. If your ideas are good, you will get support. You can put down the guns. If you have kids and think that education is important (I agree), then work for it and get support from those around you. I know it's not easy as pointing guns at people via the State, but I don't think k-12 education is a hard sell.

showerst 13y ago
The problem is, at some point it becomes the _individual's_ best interest not to pay for education, but it's in _everyone's_ best interest to have more education. This is a classic collective action/free rider problem. So you if your ideas are good, you get support from your neighbors, and you get your idea moving, so the benefits start to accrue. Then the situation changes so that education 'exists' whether you individually pay for it or not, so you need to put in some penalty for not-paying otherwise the system falls apart when people start acting in their best interests... and next thing you know you've ended up with governance.