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The UK is the "New Egypt" today, thanks Cameron.

by X4 13y ago

DanBC 13y ago
Cameron is asking ISPs to implement a filter that users can opt out of. If ISPs don't voluntarily implement this it'll probably become law. Egypt - Egypt is a little bit different. (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/2013727164527903115.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/20137271645...) We have excessive policing, but we tend not to kill protesters. (Certainly not in these kinds of numbers.) We're not putting journalists in prison. (http://www.cpj.org/2013/07/egyptian-authorities-step-up-censorship.php http://www.cpj.org/2013/07/egyptian-authorities-step-up-cens...)
- X4 13y ago
  @DanBC I'm stepping into hot ground, but I would like to share my opinoin with you. What about the government supported public exposure of demonstrants Faces and criminalizing every demonstrant? Isn't that the foundation of a state that prepares to do whatever it wants with it's "human ressources"? How will you know if protesters got killed when this info is censored, you even learned recently that the UK has a PRISM on it's own.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    > you even learned recently that the UK has a PRISM on it's own. I knew that for years. I've been talking about echelon and similar for many years. > What about the government supported public exposure of demonstrants Faces If you can show me demonstrators who hide their face and who don't commit acts of criminal damage or violence I'll agree the law is stupid. > criminalizing every demonstrant? UK laws around public protest are sub-optimal, and the police do misuse many powers. People who have been wrongfully arrested, or kettled, or similar have my full support in bringing those police officers to justice. But many people demonstrate peacefully every year and have no problems with police. > How will you know if protesters got killed when this info is censored? Look at the massive amount of press coverage around people killed by police - (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713753.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713753.stm), (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13268633 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13268633) - do you honestly believe that information is or could be censored?
- illumen 13y ago
  Lol. One of the oldest and largest UK newspapers was forced to close by the government, and it's editor has been arrested. Along with the editor a number of journalists were arrested. Yes, the UK does lock up journalists. During the 2011 protests after a protest in Tottenham following the death of Mark Duggan, a local who was shot dead by police on 4 August 2011 termed the '2011 riots' by the UK government, so many were locked up the courts local jails were too full.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    > One of the oldest and largest UK newspapers was forced to close by the government Because employees of that newspaper broke laws about interception of phone calls.
  - teh_klev 13y ago
    If you mean "The News of The World" then you need to get your facts in order [1]. Their journalists and editor, Andy Coulson, were arrested for illegally hacking into personal voicemail accounts for the purpose of muck raking. Rupert Murdoch chose to shut down the paper after the extent of the behaviour by that paper's staff was revealed to the British public. The UK government had no hand in closing the paper. [1]: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/phone-hacking http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/phone-hacking

The UK is the "New Egypt" today, thanks Cameron.

by X4 13y ago

The UK is the "New Egypt" today, thanks Cameron.

DanBC 13y ago

Cameron is asking ISPs to implement a filter that users can opt out of. If ISPs don't voluntarily implement this it'll probably become law. Egypt - Egypt is a little bit different. (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/2013727164527903115.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/20137271645...) We have excessive policing, but we tend not to kill protesters. (Certainly not in these kinds of numbers.) We're not putting journalists in prison. (http://www.cpj.org/2013/07/egyptian-authorities-step-up-censorship.php http://www.cpj.org/2013/07/egyptian-authorities-step-up-cens...)

X4 13y ago
@DanBC I'm stepping into hot ground, but I would like to share my opinoin with you. What about the government supported public exposure of demonstrants Faces and criminalizing every demonstrant? Isn't that the foundation of a state that prepares to do whatever it wants with it's "human ressources"? How will you know if protesters got killed when this info is censored, you even learned recently that the UK has a PRISM on it's own.
- DanBC 13y ago
  > you even learned recently that the UK has a PRISM on it's own. I knew that for years. I've been talking about echelon and similar for many years. > What about the government supported public exposure of demonstrants Faces If you can show me demonstrators who hide their face and who don't commit acts of criminal damage or violence I'll agree the law is stupid. > criminalizing every demonstrant? UK laws around public protest are sub-optimal, and the police do misuse many powers. People who have been wrongfully arrested, or kettled, or similar have my full support in bringing those police officers to justice. But many people demonstrate peacefully every year and have no problems with police. > How will you know if protesters got killed when this info is censored? Look at the massive amount of press coverage around people killed by police - (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713753.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713753.stm), (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13268633 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13268633) - do you honestly believe that information is or could be censored?
illumen 13y ago
Lol. One of the oldest and largest UK newspapers was forced to close by the government, and it's editor has been arrested. Along with the editor a number of journalists were arrested. Yes, the UK does lock up journalists. During the 2011 protests after a protest in Tottenham following the death of Mark Duggan, a local who was shot dead by police on 4 August 2011 termed the '2011 riots' by the UK government, so many were locked up the courts local jails were too full.
- DanBC 13y ago
  > One of the oldest and largest UK newspapers was forced to close by the government Because employees of that newspaper broke laws about interception of phone calls.
- teh_klev 13y ago
  If you mean "The News of The World" then you need to get your facts in order [1]. Their journalists and editor, Andy Coulson, were arrested for illegally hacking into personal voicemail accounts for the purpose of muck raking. Rupert Murdoch chose to shut down the paper after the extent of the behaviour by that paper's staff was revealed to the British public. The UK government had no hand in closing the paper. [1]: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/phone-hacking http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/phone-hacking