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So if you press "no" on the first screen during setup, you will be not affected by filtering? Somehow, I cannot see the great danger to freedom in that. Actual

So if you press "no" on the first screen during setup, you will be not affected by filtering? Somehow, I cannot see the great danger to freedom in that. Actually, as far as free speech in Britain goes[1][2][3][4][5], that almost sounds like a courtesy. [1] http://www.worldmag.com/2013/07/american_street_preacher_arrested_in_london_for_hate_speech http://www.worldmag.com/2013/07/american_street_preacher_arr... [2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330180/Woolwich-attacks-Man-charged-making-racist-anti-religious-Facebook-comments-British-soldier-s-death.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330180/Woolwich-att... [3] http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/free-speech-or-hate-speech-britain-bans-u-s-anti-muslim-bloggers/?_r=0 http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/free-speech-o... [4] http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammon... [5] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23128956 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23128956

jvdh 13y ago
You will be on a list of people who have actively opted out of pornography censorship. Imagine what would happen to your reputation if that list got leaked. You would be forced into a situation where you would have to explain why you want to receive pornography. While you and I can probably see the fine points of this debate, the general public generally would not.
- rwmj 13y ago
  I've opted out of my mobile phone provider's filter. I'm not especially worried about my reputation.
  - jvdh 13y ago
    There is a big difference between opting out of commercial calls and opting out of a porn-filter. Everybody hates commercial calls, and feels happy to admit it. Everybody will enjoy watching some form of porn from time to time, but nobody in civil society will admit to it.
    - IanCal 13y ago
      No, in the UK several mobile phone operators block adult material unless you actively disable it (usually requiring something like a passport or driving license).
- IanCal 13y ago
  That one doesn't bother me as much as one of the other standard tick boxes on TalkTalks filter, "extremist websites". Who wants to be on a list of people who have actively said "I want to access extremist websites"? In fact, why should that even be an option? For the childrens sake, why would we let anybody on those sites? Wouldn't it be better to simply block those sites completely? I mean, we've got the tech place, lists of websites, lets just assume it's ticked for everyone and not display it...
  - eCa 13y ago
    Who decides exactly what is "extremist related"? If a news agency shows the latest Al-Qaeda video, isn't that spreading terrorist ideologies? But the entire thing is just wrong: If we (the "western" world) does something; how can we criticize oppresive regimes when they do the same thing? What can we say when Egypt blocks internet access for "national security". What to say about North Korea and their near total censorship to protect the NK culture (and possibly saving their children's innocence).
- tomjen3 13y ago
  Yes he would be know as a person who likes to look at naked girls. That will surely not do a goddamn thing to his reputation, unless he is a nun.
kintamanimatt 13y ago
The trouble is the infrastructure itself being in place. Scope creep is a major concern. What happens if a new category becomes unlawful and the infrastructure is already in place, now with no opt out? Also, while the British government might not be tyrannical today, it's hard to predict the future and very unwise to have a tyrannical government's ideal infrastructure already in place. People educated in British schools are taught very thoroughly about Nazi Germany, and reminded that the past can repeat itself. It's easy to be complacent and accept one small change at a time, the sum total of which leads to a Middle Eastern or Chinese style censorship. It nearly happened in Australia. If pervasive censorship can happen to these[0] countries, it can happen to Britain too. What's happening right now regarding internet censorship in the UK is not something you'd typically associate with a free society, and it should give cause for concern. The biggest issue today is having to ask for permission to view sites not deemed objectionable, including web forums and such! [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet_Censorship_World_Map.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet_Censorship_World_...
- rmc 13y ago
  while the British government might not be tyrannical today ahem Read up about Northern Ireland. Internment without trial, lots of miscarriages of justice, 'shoot to kill' policy, lots of racism, etc. etc.

jvdh 13y ago

You will be on a list of people who have actively opted out of pornography censorship. Imagine what would happen to your reputation if that list got leaked. You would be forced into a situation where you would have to explain why you want to receive pornography. While you and I can probably see the fine points of this debate, the general public generally would not.

rwmj 13y ago
I've opted out of my mobile phone provider's filter. I'm not especially worried about my reputation.
- jvdh 13y ago
  There is a big difference between opting out of commercial calls and opting out of a porn-filter. Everybody hates commercial calls, and feels happy to admit it. Everybody will enjoy watching some form of porn from time to time, but nobody in civil society will admit to it.
  - IanCal 13y ago
    No, in the UK several mobile phone operators block adult material unless you actively disable it (usually requiring something like a passport or driving license).
IanCal 13y ago
That one doesn't bother me as much as one of the other standard tick boxes on TalkTalks filter, "extremist websites". Who wants to be on a list of people who have actively said "I want to access extremist websites"? In fact, why should that even be an option? For the childrens sake, why would we let anybody on those sites? Wouldn't it be better to simply block those sites completely? I mean, we've got the tech place, lists of websites, lets just assume it's ticked for everyone and not display it...
- eCa 13y ago
  Who decides exactly what is "extremist related"? If a news agency shows the latest Al-Qaeda video, isn't that spreading terrorist ideologies? But the entire thing is just wrong: If we (the "western" world) does something; how can we criticize oppresive regimes when they do the same thing? What can we say when Egypt blocks internet access for "national security". What to say about North Korea and their near total censorship to protect the NK culture (and possibly saving their children's innocence).
tomjen3 13y ago
Yes he would be know as a person who likes to look at naked girls. That will surely not do a goddamn thing to his reputation, unless he is a nun.

kintamanimatt 13y ago

The trouble is the infrastructure itself being in place. Scope creep is a major concern. What happens if a new category becomes unlawful and the infrastructure is already in place, now with no opt out? Also, while the British government might not be tyrannical today, it's hard to predict the future and very unwise to have a tyrannical government's ideal infrastructure already in place. People educated in British schools are taught very thoroughly about Nazi Germany, and reminded that the past can repeat itself. It's easy to be complacent and accept one small change at a time, the sum total of which leads to a Middle Eastern or Chinese style censorship. It nearly happened in Australia. If pervasive censorship can happen to these[0] countries, it can happen to Britain too. What's happening right now regarding internet censorship in the UK is not something you'd typically associate with a free society, and it should give cause for concern. The biggest issue today is having to ask for permission to view sites not deemed objectionable, including web forums and such! [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet_Censorship_World_Map.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet_Censorship_World_...

rmc 13y ago
while the British government might not be tyrannical today ahem Read up about Northern Ireland. Internment without trial, lots of miscarriages of justice, 'shoot to kill' policy, lots of racism, etc. etc.