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I was relieved the map showed Israel as a hub instead of India (which was cited as the "source"). if you think Asiana scored it for "culturalism" then this here

by balsam 13y ago

I was relieved the map showed Israel as a hub instead of India (which was cited as the "source"). if you think Asiana scored it for "culturalism" then this here could win the whole game. First disclosure: not an Indian.Second disclosure: before clicking on the link I was expecting India or Africa. You know, some tropical third way place? Maybe I just have the wrong kind of paranoias. Bill Gates really needs to use his stature in India for this. If anything is hard object versus immovable force, this is it.

hga 13y ago
I follow this issue to some degree and unfortunately have to say this article suggests more that it's a product of Britain's infamous and ancient Antisemitism than something that reflects reality. Or more precisely, it's politically necessary to not blame India, since that country's reaction to the discovery of the terrifying New Delhi metallo-β-lactamase (the first β-lactamase to incorporate a metal ion, it's really good at what it does) was terribly counterproductive. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Delhi_metallo-beta-lactamase_1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Delhi_metallo-beta-lactamas... for the basic story. And I'm not at all surprised that by slight of hand they moved as much blame to Israel as they could (what's in the article doesn't really support it).
- cabalamat 13y ago
  > Britain's infamous and ancient Antisemitism I'm British and it's not infamous enough for me to have heard of it.
  - hga 13y ago
    If you can't see it in your country's current actions, I don't know what to say. For the historical, start with e.g. this in 1144 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel#Middle_Ages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel#Middle_Ages and for more recent, read up on how at almost every turn Churchill's efforts to help Jews during WWII were thwarted by those under him.
    - cabalamat 13y ago
      I don't deny that there is bigotry in Britain, including bigotry against Jews. (Of course there is: there is bigotry everywhere). What I do question is that there was/is more of it in Britain than in other countries. For example, the part of Britain I live in (Scotland) is the only European country never to have had state persecution of Jews. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Scotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Scotlan...) > for more recent, read up on how at almost every turn Churchill's efforts to help Jews during WWII were thwarted by those under him. If someone asked me to name a country that was "infamous" for anti-semitism during WW2, I doubt if Britain is the one that would spring to mind. Nor would it for most historians.
      - hga 13y ago
        Ah, I know nothing about Scottish Antisemitism or a lack thereof, and I wouldn't be surprised to know it's different than England. Your latter point is a bit of a cheap shot; of course we all know which country was "infamous" in WWII; what's interesting is the counties other than that one. E.g. look at the percentage of Jews who survived in occupied ones, factoring in the differences in the occupations. And which ones accepted refugees and to what extent. Then there's the war policies, and there to a very great extent the U.K. called the shots in the Western European Theater. That's where I'm suggesting one look ... although of course it's not something that can be quantified, seeing as it was the only combatant after the fall of France.
        cabalamat 13y ago
        > Your latter point is a bit of a cheap shot; of course we all know which country was "infamous" in WWII Indeed. But your phrase was "Britain's infamous antisemitism". I was pointing out that British antisemitism during WW2 was in fact not "infamous". Indeed, if the worst thing that Britain did during WW2 wasn't harming Jews but not helping them as much as some people in the UK government would have liked, then they couldn't really have been very anti-semitic, could they? In Britain, it is illegal to discriminate against someone because they are Jewish, and has been for several decades. Furthermore, of Britain's two largest political parties, one has a Jewish leader and the other did from 2003-2005; it is unlikely that either party would have done this if it thought a Jewish leader would be an electoral liability, or if their rank-and-file members disliked Jews. Are these the actions of a country "infamous" for antisemitism?
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ars 13y ago
Israel is not the hub. It's just that Israel is technologically advanced enough to actually track these bugs so there is data to map. Other countries (India) are much larger hubs, but they don't check for it so there is no data to use.

by balsam 13y ago

hga 13y ago

I follow this issue to some degree and unfortunately have to say this article suggests more that it's a product of Britain's infamous and ancient Antisemitism than something that reflects reality. Or more precisely, it's politically necessary to not blame India, since that country's reaction to the discovery of the terrifying New Delhi metallo-β-lactamase (the first β-lactamase to incorporate a metal ion, it's really good at what it does) was terribly counterproductive. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Delhi_metallo-beta-lactamase_1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Delhi_metallo-beta-lactamas... for the basic story. And I'm not at all surprised that by slight of hand they moved as much blame to Israel as they could (what's in the article doesn't really support it).

cabalamat 13y ago
> Britain's infamous and ancient Antisemitism I'm British and it's not infamous enough for me to have heard of it.
- hga 13y ago
  If you can't see it in your country's current actions, I don't know what to say. For the historical, start with e.g. this in 1144 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel#Middle_Ages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel#Middle_Ages and for more recent, read up on how at almost every turn Churchill's efforts to help Jews during WWII were thwarted by those under him.
  - cabalamat 13y ago
    I don't deny that there is bigotry in Britain, including bigotry against Jews. (Of course there is: there is bigotry everywhere). What I do question is that there was/is more of it in Britain than in other countries. For example, the part of Britain I live in (Scotland) is the only European country never to have had state persecution of Jews. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Scotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Scotlan...) > for more recent, read up on how at almost every turn Churchill's efforts to help Jews during WWII were thwarted by those under him. If someone asked me to name a country that was "infamous" for anti-semitism during WW2, I doubt if Britain is the one that would spring to mind. Nor would it for most historians.
    - hga 13y ago
      Ah, I know nothing about Scottish Antisemitism or a lack thereof, and I wouldn't be surprised to know it's different than England. Your latter point is a bit of a cheap shot; of course we all know which country was "infamous" in WWII; what's interesting is the counties other than that one. E.g. look at the percentage of Jews who survived in occupied ones, factoring in the differences in the occupations. And which ones accepted refugees and to what extent. Then there's the war policies, and there to a very great extent the U.K. called the shots in the Western European Theater. That's where I'm suggesting one look ... although of course it's not something that can be quantified, seeing as it was the only combatant after the fall of France.
      - cabalamat 13y ago
        > Your latter point is a bit of a cheap shot; of course we all know which country was "infamous" in WWII Indeed. But your phrase was "Britain's infamous antisemitism". I was pointing out that British antisemitism during WW2 was in fact not "infamous". Indeed, if the worst thing that Britain did during WW2 wasn't harming Jews but not helping them as much as some people in the UK government would have liked, then they couldn't really have been very anti-semitic, could they? In Britain, it is illegal to discriminate against someone because they are Jewish, and has been for several decades. Furthermore, of Britain's two largest political parties, one has a Jewish leader and the other did from 2003-2005; it is unlikely that either party would have done this if it thought a Jewish leader would be an electoral liability, or if their rank-and-file members disliked Jews. Are these the actions of a country "infamous" for antisemitism?

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ars 13y ago

Israel is not the hub. It's just that Israel is technologically advanced enough to actually track these bugs so there is data to map. Other countries (India) are much larger hubs, but they don't check for it so there is no data to use.