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I think you have misinterpreted this entirely. This is not the "save the kids rhetoric". This is simply stating that rationality should be preserved above perso

I think you have misinterpreted this entirely. This is not the "save the kids rhetoric". This is simply stating that rationality should be preserved above personal beliefs in education. Your rhetoric is the typical miscalculated rebuttal against that attitude, which I do not possess. An opportunity to explain beliefs should be presented in the correct context i.e. within the bounds of religious education, but that is it. The issue we have here is that discussion is prevented if beliefs are questioned and people are punished and threatened for questioning them. That is not a belief system, nor is it something that should be promoted anywhere. It is simply forced indoctrination. By your logic, a geography teacher should teach that the earth is flat if they are a member of the flat earth society.

pdeuchler 13y ago
I don't think they should, but I think they should be allowed to. You're never going to stop crazy people from saying crazy things, and sometimes those people might just happen to be teachers. Besides, if crazy ideas were verboten in education we'd still be in the dark ages slinging arrows at each other. Tenure was actually explicitly created for respected teachers to be able to say crazy things without getting fired. What are you going to do when a tenured professor starts teaching your child something you disagree with? Are you going to go with the same heavy-handed approach? If you have a problem with the way your child is taught, bring it up with the teacher. Bring it up with the principal. Bring it up with the school board. Ask your child to be moved to a different class/section. Ask your child to be re-zoned. Or, all else failing, teach your own child. Maybe you should be more concerned about hiring standards for our teachers, or maybe consistent accreditation.
- rdouble 13y ago
  Unfortunately a heavy handed approach is needed in the American public school system as teachers tend to waste a lot of the students' time with this sort of thing.
- harrytuttle 13y ago
  Tenure doesn't excuse a person from being responsible or being held up to rational standards. Regarding standards, I now home school. This is wonderful for them. We have a network of professionals who they are taught by who do it out of interest and enthusiasm rather than a paycheque and job security with the state.
- arrrg 13y ago
  (School) teacher aren’t researchers. So, yes, them telling bullshit to children in class should get them fired pronto. They do not get academic freedom nor should they. It’s not their job to push science ahead, it’s not their job to do any research at all. If they think that’s their job then tough luck. They picked the wrong career. And that’s it. If school teachers teach crazy and not generally accepted stuff they are doing it wrong and deserve to be fired. Maybe I could have some sympathy if you were talking about university education – but school teachers? I mean, what the fuck?!
- Tichy 13y ago
  Great, can I get a job as a teacher, too, please? Since apparently I can say and do what I want in that job, it sounds perfect. Can I play video games with the kids all day and be paid for it? I've heard it improves reaction times in kids brains.

pdeuchler 13y ago

I don't think they should, but I think they should be allowed to. You're never going to stop crazy people from saying crazy things, and sometimes those people might just happen to be teachers. Besides, if crazy ideas were verboten in education we'd still be in the dark ages slinging arrows at each other. Tenure was actually explicitly created for respected teachers to be able to say crazy things without getting fired. What are you going to do when a tenured professor starts teaching your child something you disagree with? Are you going to go with the same heavy-handed approach? If you have a problem with the way your child is taught, bring it up with the teacher. Bring it up with the principal. Bring it up with the school board. Ask your child to be moved to a different class/section. Ask your child to be re-zoned. Or, all else failing, teach your own child. Maybe you should be more concerned about hiring standards for our teachers, or maybe consistent accreditation.

rdouble 13y ago
Unfortunately a heavy handed approach is needed in the American public school system as teachers tend to waste a lot of the students' time with this sort of thing.
harrytuttle 13y ago
Tenure doesn't excuse a person from being responsible or being held up to rational standards. Regarding standards, I now home school. This is wonderful for them. We have a network of professionals who they are taught by who do it out of interest and enthusiasm rather than a paycheque and job security with the state.
arrrg 13y ago
(School) teacher aren’t researchers. So, yes, them telling bullshit to children in class should get them fired pronto. They do not get academic freedom nor should they. It’s not their job to push science ahead, it’s not their job to do any research at all. If they think that’s their job then tough luck. They picked the wrong career. And that’s it. If school teachers teach crazy and not generally accepted stuff they are doing it wrong and deserve to be fired. Maybe I could have some sympathy if you were talking about university education – but school teachers? I mean, what the fuck?!
Tichy 13y ago
Great, can I get a job as a teacher, too, please? Since apparently I can say and do what I want in that job, it sounds perfect. Can I play video games with the kids all day and be paid for it? I've heard it improves reaction times in kids brains.