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I find this "us versus them" and corporate worshipping a bit troubling. I use an Android phone (S3) now, I used to use iPhone, but I didn't really like the dire

by pavs 13y ago

I find this "us versus them" and corporate worshipping a bit troubling. I use an Android phone (S3) now, I used to use iPhone, but I didn't really like the direction they were heading. So I chose the phone OS ecosystem I liked. One thing that annoys me more than Apple fanboys are Android fanboys.

usethis 13y ago
Yes, who cares, the user decides for an eco system and that's it. I am happy with Apple, they serve my every perceived need and as long as they are not too expensive or too far behind, I am not going to change. This is mostly preaching to the choir anyway.
PommeDeTerre 13y ago
Merely pointing out the hypocritical arguments of some Apple supporters does not automatically make somebody an "Android fanboy". Merely pointing out the functional differences between iOS and Android does not automatically make somebody an "Android fanboy". Merely pointing out the philosophical differences between iOS and Android does not automatically make somebody an "Android fanboy". To generalize this, merely pointing out things that can be perceived as negative about one product/company/person does not mean that the person expressing such ideas automatically supports some competing product/company/person.
- pavs 13y ago
  Not sure where you are heading with this. To make my point more clear, why on earth would you or anyone care about how much money the manufacturer of a product you use (or has similar OS to the product you use) make or by how much money its beating its main competitor in this quarter? I can think of three possibilities: - You are a market analyst. - You are an investor. - You are fanboy. I am going to go with fanboy.
  - cageface 13y ago
    Or: - You are a developer that has to make some bets about where to focus resources and learning time.
    - pavs 13y ago
      If you are on mobile business, its currently a duopoly, if you are not investing on both top 2 platform you are doing it wrong. I would also probably categorize this in to "investor", in the sense that your business is investing on that platform, so profit margin of that platform in a relevant information for you.
    - mwfunk 13y ago
      The original poster wasn't coming from that perspective either. He was basically Grubering for Android, which is about as interesting and insightful as when Gruber does it for iOS.
  - mynegation 13y ago
    Or go with 'investor', if not in the usual sense of word. I am a user concerned with long-term investments into ecosystem: apps, purchases of DRM-d content (as bad as it is), compatibility with peripheral devices (external batteries, fitness and medical etc). I've been burnt before (Palm devices anyone?) so now I pay a great attention to market share, third-party ecosystem, opinions of developers about the platform etc.
  - belorn 13y ago
    Or: - You are randomly interested in the world. - You are bikeshedding, following Sayre's law
- modfodder 13y ago
  Merely pointing out the hypocritical arguments of some Android supporters does not automatically make somebody an "Apple fanboy". Merely pointing out the functional differences between iOS and Android does not automatically make somebody an "Apple fanboy". Merely pointing out the philosophical differences between iOS and Android does not automatically make somebody an "Apple fanboy". To generalize this, merely pointing out things that can be perceived as negative about one product/company/person does not mean that the person expressing such ideas automatically supports some competing product/company/person. Goes both ways.
  - PommeDeTerre 13y ago
    Absolutely. Where did I ever say it didn't?
danieldk 13y ago
Even more, it's surprising to see this mentality on Hacker News. You'd think that we love technology and try whatever is best at this moment. I have never really used Windows, but I like Microsoft's work on Metro and Windows Phone, so I also have a Lumia (besides being an Apple user in general).
- harrytuttle 13y ago
  Same for me. I spend most of my time on Linux these days but I have a Lumia (720). Great phone. Just works and can get through 3 days without a charge! The only thing that sucks is it doesn't have a decent ssh client but that is remedied by the fact it works as a tether and I can use my laptop with it. I don't like running root on a touch screen device either due to the massive danger mistyping as root and shooting something.
  - networked 13y ago
    Today was my first real experience with Windows Phone (I set up a -- yes -- Samsung device running Windows Phone 7.8, the latest update to the previous release, for a relative). My first impression of it was that the UI and the core apps felt responsive and well-designed. Sadly, I ran into a error whereby Outlook.com refused to import an Outlook 2007 CSV file with contacts to sync with the phone. I soon figured out the reason behind the error was Office 2007's UI language being set to something other than English, which caused Outlook to generate a header for the CSV file with the field names listed in that locale, which in turn Outlook.com refused to parse. Disappointing, particularly in light of otherwise decent localization. Other than that, though, actually using it has more or less convinced me to consider a Windows Phone device as my next phone. AFAIK, WP8 doesn't rely on Zune the way WP7 does. Does it play well with Linux in practice? By the way, how do the privacy policies of Windows Phone and Microsoft Live services compare to those of matching products from Apple and Google? I have tried and failed to find a systematic comparison (i.e., a table) of how much data about the user the three mobile OSes and their vendors' apps collect and what they say about redistribution the data to third parties. I'd rather not try to perform this analysis myself (IANAL). Perhaps there's a market opportunity here.

by pavs 13y ago

usethis 13y ago

Yes, who cares, the user decides for an eco system and that's it. I am happy with Apple, they serve my every perceived need and as long as they are not too expensive or too far behind, I am not going to change. This is mostly preaching to the choir anyway.

PommeDeTerre 13y ago

Merely pointing out the hypocritical arguments of some Apple supporters does not automatically make somebody an "Android fanboy". Merely pointing out the functional differences between iOS and Android does not automatically make somebody an "Android fanboy". Merely pointing out the philosophical differences between iOS and Android does not automatically make somebody an "Android fanboy". To generalize this, merely pointing out things that can be perceived as negative about one product/company/person does not mean that the person expressing such ideas automatically supports some competing product/company/person.

pavs 13y ago
Not sure where you are heading with this. To make my point more clear, why on earth would you or anyone care about how much money the manufacturer of a product you use (or has similar OS to the product you use) make or by how much money its beating its main competitor in this quarter? I can think of three possibilities: - You are a market analyst. - You are an investor. - You are fanboy. I am going to go with fanboy.
- cageface 13y ago
  Or: - You are a developer that has to make some bets about where to focus resources and learning time.
  - pavs 13y ago
    If you are on mobile business, its currently a duopoly, if you are not investing on both top 2 platform you are doing it wrong. I would also probably categorize this in to "investor", in the sense that your business is investing on that platform, so profit margin of that platform in a relevant information for you.
  - mwfunk 13y ago
    The original poster wasn't coming from that perspective either. He was basically Grubering for Android, which is about as interesting and insightful as when Gruber does it for iOS.
- mynegation 13y ago
  Or go with 'investor', if not in the usual sense of word. I am a user concerned with long-term investments into ecosystem: apps, purchases of DRM-d content (as bad as it is), compatibility with peripheral devices (external batteries, fitness and medical etc). I've been burnt before (Palm devices anyone?) so now I pay a great attention to market share, third-party ecosystem, opinions of developers about the platform etc.
- belorn 13y ago
  Or: - You are randomly interested in the world. - You are bikeshedding, following Sayre's law
modfodder 13y ago
Merely pointing out the hypocritical arguments of some Android supporters does not automatically make somebody an "Apple fanboy". Merely pointing out the functional differences between iOS and Android does not automatically make somebody an "Apple fanboy". Merely pointing out the philosophical differences between iOS and Android does not automatically make somebody an "Apple fanboy". To generalize this, merely pointing out things that can be perceived as negative about one product/company/person does not mean that the person expressing such ideas automatically supports some competing product/company/person. Goes both ways.
- PommeDeTerre 13y ago
  Absolutely. Where did I ever say it didn't?

danieldk 13y ago

Even more, it's surprising to see this mentality on Hacker News. You'd think that we love technology and try whatever is best at this moment. I have never really used Windows, but I like Microsoft's work on Metro and Windows Phone, so I also have a Lumia (besides being an Apple user in general).

harrytuttle 13y ago
Same for me. I spend most of my time on Linux these days but I have a Lumia (720). Great phone. Just works and can get through 3 days without a charge! The only thing that sucks is it doesn't have a decent ssh client but that is remedied by the fact it works as a tether and I can use my laptop with it. I don't like running root on a touch screen device either due to the massive danger mistyping as root and shooting something.
- networked 13y ago
  Today was my first real experience with Windows Phone (I set up a -- yes -- Samsung device running Windows Phone 7.8, the latest update to the previous release, for a relative). My first impression of it was that the UI and the core apps felt responsive and well-designed. Sadly, I ran into a error whereby Outlook.com refused to import an Outlook 2007 CSV file with contacts to sync with the phone. I soon figured out the reason behind the error was Office 2007's UI language being set to something other than English, which caused Outlook to generate a header for the CSV file with the field names listed in that locale, which in turn Outlook.com refused to parse. Disappointing, particularly in light of otherwise decent localization. Other than that, though, actually using it has more or less convinced me to consider a Windows Phone device as my next phone. AFAIK, WP8 doesn't rely on Zune the way WP7 does. Does it play well with Linux in practice? By the way, how do the privacy policies of Windows Phone and Microsoft Live services compare to those of matching products from Apple and Google? I have tried and failed to find a systematic comparison (i.e., a table) of how much data about the user the three mobile OSes and their vendors' apps collect and what they say about redistribution the data to third parties. I'd rather not try to perform this analysis myself (IANAL). Perhaps there's a market opportunity here.