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Is there? http://www.salon.com/2007/12/09/democrats_9/ http://www.salon.com/2007/12/09/democrats_9/ And solitary confinement is still fine, apparently. If peop

Is there? http://www.salon.com/2007/12/09/democrats_9/ http://www.salon.com/2007/12/09/democrats_9/ And solitary confinement is still fine, apparently. If people were waterboarded again, would anyone be punished? Maybe the private contractor doing it would be fined a portion of their annual profits. Maybe someone might step down -- down right into a private industry position or speaking tour. Seemingly every year since 2007 up to 2012, more and more people were pardoned for torturing. What's different in 2013?

cabalamat 13y ago
> If people were waterboarded again, would anyone be punished? Yes -- the whistleblower who said people were being waterboarded.
- lostlogin 13y ago
  Untrue, the US executed the Japanese who tortured US servicemen with water boarding in WWII. Just make sure you're certain what side you're on before doing it, and you'll be fine. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
anigbrowl 13y ago
What's different is that prior to 2009, the Bush administration considered such 'enhanced interrogation' methods to be legal, and instructed intelligence agents accordingly. People have been pardoned for activities that they were assured were legal and ordered to carry out - a sticky moral situation to be sure, but courts decide issues of law rather than morality. Since the change in 2009, nobody can say they thought things like waterboarding were legal, and if some field agent were to carry it out s/he would have no defense available in law. I don't want to turn this intoa Republican/Democrat political issue, but to pretend the two administrations are the same on this issue is just not credible and does not make for a constructive discussion. You can find plenty to criticize about the incumbent administration without needing to invent more.

cabalamat 13y ago

> If people were waterboarded again, would anyone be punished? Yes -- the whistleblower who said people were being waterboarded.

lostlogin 13y ago
Untrue, the US executed the Japanese who tortured US servicemen with water boarding in WWII. Just make sure you're certain what side you're on before doing it, and you'll be fine. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

anigbrowl 13y ago

What's different is that prior to 2009, the Bush administration considered such 'enhanced interrogation' methods to be legal, and instructed intelligence agents accordingly. People have been pardoned for activities that they were assured were legal and ordered to carry out - a sticky moral situation to be sure, but courts decide issues of law rather than morality. Since the change in 2009, nobody can say they thought things like waterboarding were legal, and if some field agent were to carry it out s/he would have no defense available in law. I don't want to turn this intoa Republican/Democrat political issue, but to pretend the two administrations are the same on this issue is just not credible and does not make for a constructive discussion. You can find plenty to criticize about the incumbent administration without needing to invent more.