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If the general attorney has to step up to the podium and assure an American public that a whistleblower won't be killed or tortured you've got a country in dire

by mixmax 13y ago

If the general attorney has to step up to the podium and assure an American public that a whistleblower won't be killed or tortured you've got a country in dire straits. Especially since it seems that not all Americans believe him.

bparsons 13y ago
His statement said nothing about using "enhanced interrogation methods" against Snowden. By their own legal definition, the US government "tortures" no one. Water boarding, sensory deprivation, psychological torture, stress positions and starvation are not considered torture by the administration.
- mpyne 13y ago
  > Water boarding, sensory deprivation, psychological torture, stress positions and starvation are not considered torture by the administration. Really? That's news to me. Can you point me to the AG memo or E.O. clarifying that waterboarding and stress positions are now again not considered torture?
  - VladRussian2 13y ago
    c'mon, it is minutiae details. Human body and mind allow for so much ways to make live less pleasant and more painful, and without hematoma ... While we discuss here specifics of previous version, i'm sure the professionals have already took their certifications tests in "enhanced interrogation techniques v2.0" The fact that nobody was prosecuted for performing and authorizing torture sends very clear message.
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    - mpyne 13y ago
      > c'mon, it is minutiae details It's not just "details". Distortion and misleading details are attributes I'd always pinned on 'the others', but I won't accept it from here just because we both disagree with torture.
      - VladRussian2 13y ago
        >Distortion and misleading details ...but I won't accept it well, then you are lost even without starting as distortion and misleading details are unavoidable in the environment where prevalent force uses lies and secrecy as the main mode of operation, i.e. like CIA destroying video tapes as a response to Congress' request for the tapes. Though the fact that they destroyed the tapes describes the content of the tapes very precisely. Use your mind, Luke, as it is the only thing that can resist Force.
- recusancy 13y ago
  Utter bs... Obama and Holder have stated repeatedly that "enhanced interrogation" IS torture. On January 22, 2009 President Obama signed an executive order requiring the CIA to use only the 19 interrogation methods outlined in the United States Army Field Manual on interrogations. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInt...
  - bparsons 13y ago
    Check out the UN investigation into the treatment of Bradley Manning. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-...
  - trackztar 13y ago
    Too bad Obama flip flops. He has no morals.
  - gohrt 13y ago
    Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing what secret order he gave to carve out exceptions to that order. Such is the cost of running a government in secret.

by mixmax 13y ago

bparsons 13y ago

His statement said nothing about using "enhanced interrogation methods" against Snowden. By their own legal definition, the US government "tortures" no one. Water boarding, sensory deprivation, psychological torture, stress positions and starvation are not considered torture by the administration.

mpyne 13y ago
> Water boarding, sensory deprivation, psychological torture, stress positions and starvation are not considered torture by the administration. Really? That's news to me. Can you point me to the AG memo or E.O. clarifying that waterboarding and stress positions are now again not considered torture?
- VladRussian2 13y ago
  c'mon, it is minutiae details. Human body and mind allow for so much ways to make live less pleasant and more painful, and without hematoma ... While we discuss here specifics of previous version, i'm sure the professionals have already took their certifications tests in "enhanced interrogation techniques v2.0" The fact that nobody was prosecuted for performing and authorizing torture sends very clear message.
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  - mpyne 13y ago
    > c'mon, it is minutiae details It's not just "details". Distortion and misleading details are attributes I'd always pinned on 'the others', but I won't accept it from here just because we both disagree with torture.
    - VladRussian2 13y ago
      >Distortion and misleading details ...but I won't accept it well, then you are lost even without starting as distortion and misleading details are unavoidable in the environment where prevalent force uses lies and secrecy as the main mode of operation, i.e. like CIA destroying video tapes as a response to Congress' request for the tapes. Though the fact that they destroyed the tapes describes the content of the tapes very precisely. Use your mind, Luke, as it is the only thing that can resist Force.
recusancy 13y ago
Utter bs... Obama and Holder have stated repeatedly that "enhanced interrogation" IS torture. On January 22, 2009 President Obama signed an executive order requiring the CIA to use only the 19 interrogation methods outlined in the United States Army Field Manual on interrogations. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInt...
- bparsons 13y ago
  Check out the UN investigation into the treatment of Bradley Manning. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-...
- trackztar 13y ago
  Too bad Obama flip flops. He has no morals.
- gohrt 13y ago
  Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing what secret order he gave to carve out exceptions to that order. Such is the cost of running a government in secret.