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Passports are not the same as citizenship. Many Americans are full citizens and never bothered to apply for a passport in their lives. You were probably passpor

by arbuge 13y ago

Passports are not the same as citizenship. Many Americans are full citizens and never bothered to apply for a passport in their lives. You were probably passportless until you applied for a passport. It is really hard for the US government to take away citizenship - generally that only happens to naturalized persons who blatantly lied on their citizenship application. For example, Nazi concentration camp guards in WW2 who hid the role they played there.

toomuchtodo 13y ago
Taking away your ability to freely move outside your country of citizenship (i.e. your passport) should be just as hard to revoke as your citizenship. The Supreme Court has upheld the freedom to move state to state [1]; the freedom to move through other countries outside of the US (if you're a US citizen) is an inalienable right as well (with the permission of the hosting countries of course). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Guest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Guest
- arbuge 13y ago
  Passport revocation is pretty routine for suspects facing serious charges though: http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppi/info/info_870.html http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppi/info/info_870.html A federal, state or local law enforcement agency may request the denial or revocation of a passport on several regulatory grounds set forth in 22 C.F.R. §§ 51.60, 51.61, and 51.62. The principal law enforcement reasons for passport denial or revocation are an unsealed federal, state, or local felony arrest warrant, a federal or state criminal court order or a condition of parole or probation forbidding departure from the United States (or the jurisdiction of the court), or a request for extradition to or from the United States. Any such request needs to include a copy of the arrest warrant or criminal court order. Please also be advised that all passport applicants are run through various law enforcement and other databases.
  - dev1n 13y ago
    Thank you for the information. What you have explained is not as clearly stated in the three bullets in the reasons for passport revocations on the site I linked to.
- ambientwhsiper 13y ago
  Being fugitive from justice doesn't give you such right.
- goatforce5 13y ago
  Surrendering your passport while awaiting trial isn't unheard of though, right? If they think you're a flight risk, your movements will be limited. In this case they want to talk to him but he's already fled, so by cancelling his passport they're trying to limit further movement by him. Regardless, having a passport doesn't magically grant you the ability to move around as you wish. It's up to the destination country (and countries you're transiting perhaps) to decide if they want to accept your passport as a form of ID. I'm sure countries have accepted plenty of people without a passport (asylum seekers, people moving around Europe, etc.).
  - malandrew 13y ago
    What about people with dual nationality? AFAIK a country can only make you surrender the passport they have issued since the other passports you may possess are property of the governments that issued them.
    - goatforce5 13y ago
      I guess a judge can impose whatever conditions they want on your bail. "Surrender all the passports you have, or if you don't want to do that you can go sit in jail."

by arbuge 13y ago

toomuchtodo 13y ago

Taking away your ability to freely move outside your country of citizenship (i.e. your passport) should be just as hard to revoke as your citizenship. The Supreme Court has upheld the freedom to move state to state [1]; the freedom to move through other countries outside of the US (if you're a US citizen) is an inalienable right as well (with the permission of the hosting countries of course). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Guest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Guest

arbuge 13y ago
Passport revocation is pretty routine for suspects facing serious charges though: http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppi/info/info_870.html http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppi/info/info_870.html A federal, state or local law enforcement agency may request the denial or revocation of a passport on several regulatory grounds set forth in 22 C.F.R. §§ 51.60, 51.61, and 51.62. The principal law enforcement reasons for passport denial or revocation are an unsealed federal, state, or local felony arrest warrant, a federal or state criminal court order or a condition of parole or probation forbidding departure from the United States (or the jurisdiction of the court), or a request for extradition to or from the United States. Any such request needs to include a copy of the arrest warrant or criminal court order. Please also be advised that all passport applicants are run through various law enforcement and other databases.
- dev1n 13y ago
  Thank you for the information. What you have explained is not as clearly stated in the three bullets in the reasons for passport revocations on the site I linked to.
ambientwhsiper 13y ago
Being fugitive from justice doesn't give you such right.
goatforce5 13y ago
Surrendering your passport while awaiting trial isn't unheard of though, right? If they think you're a flight risk, your movements will be limited. In this case they want to talk to him but he's already fled, so by cancelling his passport they're trying to limit further movement by him. Regardless, having a passport doesn't magically grant you the ability to move around as you wish. It's up to the destination country (and countries you're transiting perhaps) to decide if they want to accept your passport as a form of ID. I'm sure countries have accepted plenty of people without a passport (asylum seekers, people moving around Europe, etc.).
- malandrew 13y ago
  What about people with dual nationality? AFAIK a country can only make you surrender the passport they have issued since the other passports you may possess are property of the governments that issued them.
  - goatforce5 13y ago
    I guess a judge can impose whatever conditions they want on your bail. "Surrender all the passports you have, or if you don't want to do that you can go sit in jail."