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Don't you think it's just a little bit of a stretch from "The NSA is recording phone calls" to "The NSA kills people"?
by JonFish85 13y ago
Don't you think it's just a little bit of a stretch from "The NSA is recording phone calls" to "The NSA kills people"?
- vxxzy 13y agoI look at it from the standpoint of trust. How can we trust that no foul play was invloved. I'm not saying take it as the gospel... Best just to keep an opened mind at this point.
- JonFish85 13y agoThat seems excessive. Can we trust that the government isn't setting up an elaborate "Truman Show"? I'd just go with the Occam's Razor test: it doesn't really seem to make sense and seems like a much higher risk than whatever "they" are trying to cover up. Manning -- not dead. Snowden -- not dead. If the US really wanted them dead, they would be dead.
- JonFish85 13y agoAnd dammit I missed my chance at making a "fowl play" joke ( should be "foul play" :) )!
- nawitus 13y agoThe American government can already kill it's own citizens without due process[1]. That's not very far from the NSA killing citizens. EDIT: One intelligence agency, CIA, has already killed an American citizen[2]. 1. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-kill-list-doj-memo http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-ki... 2. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/26/AR2010012604239_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010012700394 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01...
- JonFish85 13y agoIt absolutely is a stretch. You're comparing apples & oranges. To me it seems like saying "A soldier kills militants in XYZ country. Therefore it's not a stretch to say he kills his family if he's mad."
- pkinsky 13y agoOh, like Anwar_al-Awlaki's son? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki#Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki#Abdulrahm...
- nawitus 13y agoI don't find this analogy meta-discussions valuable. The only stretch is whether or not the killing could happen inside USA. Of course it (perhaps) hasn't happened yet, but that's what we are discussing: if it could happen. Any evidence on the truth of "could it happen?" has to has some differences, otherwise it would have already happened and we wouldn't be debating this in the first place.
- glesica 13y agoActually I think the stretch was the other way around. We already knew, from a long history, that the US intelligence establishment kills people. We only recently found out that they ALSO record all our phone calls. Just sayin...
- advice4u 13y agoCan you cite an example of the NSA killing someone?
- moocowduckquack 13y agoI am not sure that is their department. They probably have to submit a form.
- MisterWebz 13y agoThe NSA is recording phone calls? We wish. The NSA is capturing all (most?) data going in and out of America and frequently cooperates with other countries by exchanging data, thus having access to a large chunk of worldwide communications. It also cooperates closely with the CIA, to catch or kill 'terrorists'. How is it a bit of a stretch to think an organization that powerful might kill someone?
- flyinRyan 13y agoHow many really odd deaths of people who had information the NSA wouldn't like getting out before we consider the possibility?