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Firstly I am - as others surely are - sufficiently interested in this premise. At first brush (and to the layperson who is not steeped either in digital physic
by wozniacki 13y ago
Firstly I am - as others surely are - sufficiently interested in this premise.
At first brush (and to the layperson who is not steeped either in digital physics or simulation theories) this seems like a good contender in the legion of theories of this sort that seek to explain the nature of our observable universe (as it appears to the human consciousness)
I looked up the reviews of Amazon for the book, "Programming the Universe" and some reviews seems to suggest that the author largely treads on thin ice in several areas.
For example:
I've always admired the notion (first promulgated by Voltaire?) that the true measure of intelligence is the ability to simultaneously comprehend two mutually contradictory ideas. So I tend to take a mellow approach to ideas that I disagree with. However, this book angered me, not because of its ideas, but because of its serious flaws.
The first serious flaw is that the author cannot keep his ego from seeping into the text. He regales us with triumphant tales of how he confounded his students with deep questions and then nobly revealed the true answers. Sheesh, man, why use the dialog approach using weaklings as your interlocutors? Pit yourself against somebody who can do more than behave as your straight man. Argue with yourself, if you have to! But presenting yourself as the all-knowing professor rubbed my fur the wrong way.
The problem of author vanity permeates the entire book. At no point does the author admit to uncertainty, or present two sides of a case, or even admit that anything he writes is controversial. One gets the strong impression that everything is crystal clear to this author. That impression raises my hackles.
The overwhelming self-assurance of the author explodes in his face when he gets it wrong. In the section "Exorcising Maxwell's Demon" in Chapter 4, he writes:
"The full exorcism of the demon was not accomplished until recently. (I played some part in this ceremony myself.)"
Perhaps Mr. Lloyd is older than I imagine. The exorcism of Maxwell's Demon was accomplished by Leon Brilloun, the physicist who patented the atomic bomb, in a paper published in 1951. Mr. Brilloun does not mention any contribution by Mr. Lloyd. It would appear that Mr. Lloyd is unaware of Mr. Brilloun's paper. Worse, his explanation of the exorcism of Maxwell's Demon is a turgid mess that makes no sense at all. Between claiming credit for another man's achievement and botching the explanation of Maxwell's Demon, I reached the limit of my tolerance. I literally threw the book away from me at that point.
Perhaps the material after Chapter 4 redeems the book; I do not know, because I did not read it.
The other serious flaw in the book is its smarmy vagueness. In attempting to avoid the intimidating reliance on mathematical and technical definitions, Mr. Lloyd resorts to poetic phrasings. These would be acceptable if they weren't so damned cute -- and if they made sense. For example, in attempting to make clear the difference between energy and information he writes, "Energy makes physical systems do things. Information tells them what to do." At first glance, that seems a pithy observation. But go back and read it again; what is the author really saying? Does energy give molecules speed, and information give them direction? Does the energy in an A-bomb make the bang and information tells it what to destroy?
I was disconcerted by the author's fuzziness regarding information. He never defined it -- which is not necessarily a fatal flaw, given that a book for the educated public should not burden its readers with undue technical detail. But he used the term in such a myriad of ways that I started to think that he was using it to refer to any magically powerful force. Information, in this book, seems capable of performing wondrous feats.
Physics is finally coming to terms with the concept of information as a physical concept. The change began after World War II and has been edging forward for fifty years; in the last ten years, progress has accelerated. A clearer concept of information and its relationship to the physical universe is emerging. Mr. Lloyd misses one of the most important factors in this process: that information itself is inextricably bound with the concept of time, in something like the way that mass and energy are bound together, only more complex. It is not information that is the fundamental quantity; it is information flow, or bandwidth.
Source: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1HXWI1JRL1M75/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1400040922&nodeID=283155&store=books http://www.amazon.com/review/R1HXWI1JRL1M75/ref=cm_cr_dp_tit...
Is there a more authoritative piece of writing that tackles the key arguments against simulated reality, more comprehensively and perhaps more convincingly?
Especially the arguments of
a) Computationlism
b) Computability of physics
c) Nested simulations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality#Arguments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality#Arguments
- kamaal 13y ago>>key arguments against simulated reality, more comprehensively and perhaps more convincingly? Probably no, the reason is any one who is smart enough to simulate us will also be smart enough to stop us messing up with the simulation. And it ends there. The scary situation is simulation theory perfectly accommodates things like religion, god and miracles. And probably even things like heaven, hell and the judgement day.
- wozniacki 13y agothe reason is any one who is smart enough to simulate us will also be smart enough to stop us messing up with the simulation. Nick Bostrom's rationale against this objection: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become posthumans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation. If we are in a simulation, doesn’t that undermine the reasoning in the simulation argument? The simulation argument relies on an assumption about the technological capabilities of a mature civilization. Our evidence for this assumption is empirical: it is based on our best theories about the physical limits of computation and the kinds of constructions that could be built with advanced molecular manufacturing techniques etc., and our confidence in these theories rests ultimately on observations of the world we see around us. But if we are in a simulation, then how could we trust these observations? Might they not inform us only about the simulated reality and not about any hypothesized underlying of reality in which the simulation is being run? And if so, does this not undermine the simulation argument by casting doubt on its empirical assumptions? If we reflect more carefully on this objection, however, we see that it fails. The claim that we cannot have any information about the underlying reality if we are in a simulation is false. In a simulation, we can certainly know the following two conditional claims: A. If we are in a simulation, then the underlying reality is such as to permit simulations, it contains at least one such simulation, and (3) is true. B. If we are not in a simulation, then the empirical evidence noted in the simulation argument is veridical taken at face value, suggesting that a technologically mature civilization would have the ability to create vast number of simulations; and consequently, by the simulation argument, there is a very high probability at least one of the disjuncts in (1)-(3) is true. Since we either are, or are not, in a simulation, we can conclude, even if we are in a simulation, that at least one of the disjuncts (1)-(3) is true. Source: http://www.simulation-argument.com/faq.html http://www.simulation-argument.com/faq.html