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A classic psychopathic behaviour. Blind your victim with carefully spun web of lies. Distort the reality and then when the time comes, abuse them. Psychopaths

by fear91 13y ago

A classic psychopathic behaviour. Blind your victim with carefully spun web of lies. Distort the reality and then when the time comes, abuse them. Psychopaths are so good at lying that they self-deceive themselves. They believe their own lies. That's why it's so easy to fall for what they say. They always fly to the top - be it at corporations, governments, crime organizations. The more psychopathic they are, the higher they get.

kaonashi 13y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
hnriot 13y ago
Armchair psychology at its best
- foobarbazqux 13y ago
  Freud's ghost hates that expression. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/EPqt8An_Sj2ii9ulOnCr3w http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/EPqt8An_Sj2i...
MDCore 13y ago
Would you mind providing some citations for your idea that Psychopaths self-deceive? From what I've read the better Psychopaths are masterfully in control of their web of lies, that it's easy to believe what they say because they don't suffer the remorse of neuro-normals. And that it's more likely for the neuro-normal person who lies compulsively to believe their lies. I really don't think it's helpful to classify Obama's behaviour as psychopathic. It demonises him instead of taking a practical, accurate look at his behaviour. It seems as useful calling someone "evil" or "a nazi".
pizza 13y ago
Oh look, a comment that can see through the lies we've been fed, and shows us the malice of those who are 'above' us! And no citations or examples, to boot!
chatmasta 13y ago
The fact that psychopaths and Obama share certain characteristics does not prove that Obama is a psychopath. Yet people continue to suggest that he is, citing the incongruent logic that overlapping characteristics imply equality. The fundamental problem is not people's flawed logic, but the psychological diagnostic tests. Psychologists broadly categorize most disorders because they cannot find a reliable symptom that also acts as evidence of a disorder. That is, there is no symptom that definitively allows psychologists to say "Patient exhibits Symptom X. Therefore, patient has Disorder Y." Contrast this to "biological" diseases like viruses or cancers. They exhibit physical evidence as symptoms. Doctors can detect the physical presence of a virus or a cancer. The evidence they find serves both as a symptom and evidence of their diagnosis. Thus, medical doctors can precisely define diseases by their symptoms. Unfortunately, psychologists are not afforded such luxury. Yet many of them act as though they are. This is how we end up with severe misdiagnoses. We need to be aware as a society of how this affects us.
- AlexeiSadeski 13y ago
  Right, as soon as we can get a psychiatrist to examine him, we'll get back to you. Until then, we'll have to rely on circumstantial evidence and induction. It does seem likely that anyone able to rise to the pinnacle of American politics would be a psychopath, so it's not as if such accusations are shots in the dark.
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- coldtea 13y ago
  >The fact that psychopaths and Obama share certain characteristics does not prove that Obama is a psychopath. Yet people continue to suggest that he is, citing the incongruent logic that overlapping characteristics imply equality Err, you don't get to the top chair of the west by NOT being psychopath in some degree. You think people fuck their promises, move ahead as nothing happened, overpass the wild dogs in Washington and get to the White House by being boy scouts?
- criley2 13y ago
jafaku 13y ago
Isn't that a sociopath? I think I read that psychopaths can't really live in society and go undetected, they can't control themselves.
- ealexhudson 13y ago
  Sociopathy isn't really a specific diagnosis (whereas psychopathy is, in most places) - and the term is used largely interchangeably with psychopathy when referring to an actual disorder. Any semantic difference in the terms hasn't come from the broad medical community as far as I'm aware.
crusso 13y ago
He's not a psychopath or even a sociopath. I'm definitely not a fan of his, but I do think he cares about people and has empathy. You don't become a Community Organizer for the power and money. When he made those promises, he did so because he was(still is) naive and had very little real world experience. He's an astoundingly awful President and possibly a closet-Marxist, but he's no cold-blooded sociopath. [edit: clarification]
- tlear 13y ago
  You become community organizer to advance in the Chicago political machine duh..
mncolinlee 13y ago
This is a real leap of logic. How can you diagnose the president without knowing his motivations? For all we know, the wiretaps on State Senator Barack Obama uncovered some incriminating information that political elites have used to make the president their puppet. No one has to be a sociopath to contradict oneself. For all we know, he really planned to run an accountable administration and was met with either resistance or blackmail. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/russ-tice-nsa-obama_n_3473538.html?utm_hp_ref=tw http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/russ-tice-nsa-obama...

by fear91 13y ago

kaonashi 13y ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

hnriot 13y ago

Armchair psychology at its best

foobarbazqux 13y ago
Freud's ghost hates that expression. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/EPqt8An_Sj2ii9ulOnCr3w http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/EPqt8An_Sj2i...

MDCore 13y ago

Would you mind providing some citations for your idea that Psychopaths self-deceive? From what I've read the better Psychopaths are masterfully in control of their web of lies, that it's easy to believe what they say because they don't suffer the remorse of neuro-normals. And that it's more likely for the neuro-normal person who lies compulsively to believe their lies. I really don't think it's helpful to classify Obama's behaviour as psychopathic. It demonises him instead of taking a practical, accurate look at his behaviour. It seems as useful calling someone "evil" or "a nazi".

pizza 13y ago

Oh look, a comment that can see through the lies we've been fed, and shows us the malice of those who are 'above' us! And no citations or examples, to boot!

chatmasta 13y ago

The fact that psychopaths and Obama share certain characteristics does not prove that Obama is a psychopath. Yet people continue to suggest that he is, citing the incongruent logic that overlapping characteristics imply equality. The fundamental problem is not people's flawed logic, but the psychological diagnostic tests. Psychologists broadly categorize most disorders because they cannot find a reliable symptom that also acts as evidence of a disorder. That is, there is no symptom that definitively allows psychologists to say "Patient exhibits Symptom X. Therefore, patient has Disorder Y." Contrast this to "biological" diseases like viruses or cancers. They exhibit physical evidence as symptoms. Doctors can detect the physical presence of a virus or a cancer. The evidence they find serves both as a symptom and evidence of their diagnosis. Thus, medical doctors can precisely define diseases by their symptoms. Unfortunately, psychologists are not afforded such luxury. Yet many of them act as though they are. This is how we end up with severe misdiagnoses. We need to be aware as a society of how this affects us.

AlexeiSadeski 13y ago
Right, as soon as we can get a psychiatrist to examine him, we'll get back to you. Until then, we'll have to rely on circumstantial evidence and induction. It does seem likely that anyone able to rise to the pinnacle of American politics would be a psychopath, so it's not as if such accusations are shots in the dark.
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coldtea 13y ago
>The fact that psychopaths and Obama share certain characteristics does not prove that Obama is a psychopath. Yet people continue to suggest that he is, citing the incongruent logic that overlapping characteristics imply equality Err, you don't get to the top chair of the west by NOT being psychopath in some degree. You think people fuck their promises, move ahead as nothing happened, overpass the wild dogs in Washington and get to the White House by being boy scouts?
criley2 13y ago

jafaku 13y ago

Isn't that a sociopath? I think I read that psychopaths can't really live in society and go undetected, they can't control themselves.

ealexhudson 13y ago
Sociopathy isn't really a specific diagnosis (whereas psychopathy is, in most places) - and the term is used largely interchangeably with psychopathy when referring to an actual disorder. Any semantic difference in the terms hasn't come from the broad medical community as far as I'm aware.

crusso 13y ago

He's not a psychopath or even a sociopath. I'm definitely not a fan of his, but I do think he cares about people and has empathy. You don't become a Community Organizer for the power and money. When he made those promises, he did so because he was(still is) naive and had very little real world experience. He's an astoundingly awful President and possibly a closet-Marxist, but he's no cold-blooded sociopath. [edit: clarification]

tlear 13y ago
You become community organizer to advance in the Chicago political machine duh..

mncolinlee 13y ago

This is a real leap of logic. How can you diagnose the president without knowing his motivations? For all we know, the wiretaps on State Senator Barack Obama uncovered some incriminating information that political elites have used to make the president their puppet. No one has to be a sociopath to contradict oneself. For all we know, he really planned to run an accountable administration and was met with either resistance or blackmail. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/russ-tice-nsa-obama_n_3473538.html?utm_hp_ref=tw http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/russ-tice-nsa-obama...