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These "order-loving people" are the same ones that buy-out all ammunition when a vague proposal is put forward to improve gun registration... I'm not sure how t

These "order-loving people" are the same ones that buy-out all ammunition when a vague proposal is put forward to improve gun registration... I'm not sure how to reconcile these positions at all.

tsotha 13y ago
I don't see any conflict. Legal gun buyers in the US are the most law-abiding people in the country.
- irishcoffee 13y ago
  There was a run on guns. Generally when an item goes 'on a run' there is panic behind the purchase.
  - Wingman4l7 13y ago
    How does that contradict the statement that legal gun buyers are law-abiding?
  - tsotha 13y ago
    I didn't see any signs of panic. It's just common sense to buy something you want if there's a chance it may become unavailable..
rayiner 13y ago
America can be pretty-well described by a Protestant sense of order with a frontiers-y gun culture. The guns are there for hunting, shooting criminals, and in case the order breaks down, not to fight the order the exists now. Watch the show Jericho for a pretty good idea of much of America thinks. I.e. people who had no beef with the government as it existed, but kinda fantasize about what would happen if the government collapsed and they were on their own.
XEKEP 13y ago
These law-abiding citizens should demand the same from their government, shouldn't they?
CamperBob2 13y ago
I'm not sure how to reconcile these positions at all. It may help if you understand that these people don't trust the government to keep order. It's not wild-eyed anarchists who are buying that ammo.
- purephase 13y ago
  It's more that the groundswell of support for the 2nd amendment, even going to far to stockpile in lieu of any possible changes, should apply equally to other amendments. Particularly ones that are as important as the fourth. Sure, there were some protests on Independence Day and I applaud the efforts of those involved, but it seems like regular Americans are largely either unaware or just don't care about it at all.
  - rayiner 13y ago
    America has a deep gun culture, and they have a deep "your home is your castle" culture. That's what the 2nd and the 4th mean to your typical American, and that's what they care about. The extension of that to "your Google Drive is your castle" is too abstract and theoretical. People largely don't care about non-visible impingements on their liberties (and arguably are justified in doing so). It's kind of a "what's the sound of one hand clapping" thing. The 4th amendment is alive and well in America, at least as far as your typical white American voter is concerned. The most egregious violations happen to inner city minorities, who are so segregated from the rest of the population that the mainstream voter has probably never even met a black youth who has been stopped and frisked for no reason. And while you hear about no-knock warrant disasters in white neighborhoods, but it's extremely sporadic, to the point where your typical person probably can't say they know someone personally that it has happened to. And if you don't read the outrage blogs, you probably have never even heard of it. My parents have no idea what a "no-knock" warrant is. It just doesn't happen in their upscale Republican suburb. But gun registration and licensing chaffes everyone. Even your most upstanding, law-abiding white American has to submit to a background check like some sort of criminal, and that makes people mad.

These "order-loving people" are the same ones that buy-out all ammunition when a vague proposal is put forward to improve gun registration... I'm not sure how to reconcile these positions at all.

tsotha 13y ago

I don't see any conflict. Legal gun buyers in the US are the most law-abiding people in the country.

irishcoffee 13y ago
There was a run on guns. Generally when an item goes 'on a run' there is panic behind the purchase.
- Wingman4l7 13y ago
  How does that contradict the statement that legal gun buyers are law-abiding?
- tsotha 13y ago
  I didn't see any signs of panic. It's just common sense to buy something you want if there's a chance it may become unavailable..

rayiner 13y ago

America can be pretty-well described by a Protestant sense of order with a frontiers-y gun culture. The guns are there for hunting, shooting criminals, and in case the order breaks down, not to fight the order the exists now. Watch the show Jericho for a pretty good idea of much of America thinks. I.e. people who had no beef with the government as it existed, but kinda fantasize about what would happen if the government collapsed and they were on their own.

XEKEP 13y ago

These law-abiding citizens should demand the same from their government, shouldn't they?

CamperBob2 13y ago

I'm not sure how to reconcile these positions at all. It may help if you understand that these people don't trust the government to keep order. It's not wild-eyed anarchists who are buying that ammo.

purephase 13y ago
It's more that the groundswell of support for the 2nd amendment, even going to far to stockpile in lieu of any possible changes, should apply equally to other amendments. Particularly ones that are as important as the fourth. Sure, there were some protests on Independence Day and I applaud the efforts of those involved, but it seems like regular Americans are largely either unaware or just don't care about it at all.
- rayiner 13y ago
  America has a deep gun culture, and they have a deep "your home is your castle" culture. That's what the 2nd and the 4th mean to your typical American, and that's what they care about. The extension of that to "your Google Drive is your castle" is too abstract and theoretical. People largely don't care about non-visible impingements on their liberties (and arguably are justified in doing so). It's kind of a "what's the sound of one hand clapping" thing. The 4th amendment is alive and well in America, at least as far as your typical white American voter is concerned. The most egregious violations happen to inner city minorities, who are so segregated from the rest of the population that the mainstream voter has probably never even met a black youth who has been stopped and frisked for no reason. And while you hear about no-knock warrant disasters in white neighborhoods, but it's extremely sporadic, to the point where your typical person probably can't say they know someone personally that it has happened to. And if you don't read the outrage blogs, you probably have never even heard of it. My parents have no idea what a "no-knock" warrant is. It just doesn't happen in their upscale Republican suburb. But gun registration and licensing chaffes everyone. Even your most upstanding, law-abiding white American has to submit to a background check like some sort of criminal, and that makes people mad.