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Yes, the numbers were: Republicans: 94 yea, 134 nay (41% in favor) Democrats: 111 yea, 83 nay (57% in favor) Not too surprising, since traditionally "st

Yes, the numbers were: Republicans: 94 yea, 134 nay (41% in favor) Democrats: 111 yea, 83 nay (57% in favor) Not too surprising, since traditionally "strong on national security" is a core GOP position, and the party establishment tends to see civil-liberties challenges to national security policy as misguided. That might overrule any partisan instinct to vote against Obama.

jcdavis 13y ago
is there a link of the individual votes? govtrack.us doesn't look to be that up to date
- _delirium 13y ago
  Yes, it was just posted: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml I had looked when I posted my comment so I could link it along with the numbers, but 25 mins ago it wasn't up yet.
rralian 13y ago
Just talking out my butt here, but I think on most votes they have a pretty good idea of where most congresspeople plan to vote and whether or not the amendment will pass. So if some republicans knew it wouldn't pass with their yea vote, they could have felt comfortable giving it a yea as taking credit for standing up to "the administration." Whereas they may not have actually given that vote if they thought it mattered. This opinion is based on no other data than watching House of Cards on netflix and Veep on HBO.
- ajays 13y ago
  This. The general public has no idea how much posturing is involved in such votes. These people will even trade votes: the Dem says "Please, I want to appear strong on defence, so I'll vote no, while you (the Republican) can vote yes". Source: knew a couple of people who had worked as aides to congresscritters
- falk 13y ago
  I think this tweet is pretty spot on: "Rotating Villains strike again: Just enough liberals inexplicably voted no on NSA restrictions to make it the way Obama wanted." https://twitter.com/brmull/status/360192763502931968 https://twitter.com/brmull/status/360192763502931968
  - eli 13y ago
    You can read the read the tea leaves and see anything you want. It's unusual for so many Democrats to vote against a program being administered by a Democratic president.
    - streptomycin 13y ago
      Happens a lot: http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/ http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
jmspring 13y ago
Call me a pessimist, but those "strong on national security" might use this vote as a hammer against their opponents in future elections -- voted against securing this country against those terrorists... Sad that this was my first thought.

jcdavis 13y ago

is there a link of the individual votes? govtrack.us doesn't look to be that up to date

_delirium 13y ago
Yes, it was just posted: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml I had looked when I posted my comment so I could link it along with the numbers, but 25 mins ago it wasn't up yet.

rralian 13y ago

Just talking out my butt here, but I think on most votes they have a pretty good idea of where most congresspeople plan to vote and whether or not the amendment will pass. So if some republicans knew it wouldn't pass with their yea vote, they could have felt comfortable giving it a yea as taking credit for standing up to "the administration." Whereas they may not have actually given that vote if they thought it mattered. This opinion is based on no other data than watching House of Cards on netflix and Veep on HBO.

ajays 13y ago
This. The general public has no idea how much posturing is involved in such votes. These people will even trade votes: the Dem says "Please, I want to appear strong on defence, so I'll vote no, while you (the Republican) can vote yes". Source: knew a couple of people who had worked as aides to congresscritters
falk 13y ago
I think this tweet is pretty spot on: "Rotating Villains strike again: Just enough liberals inexplicably voted no on NSA restrictions to make it the way Obama wanted." https://twitter.com/brmull/status/360192763502931968 https://twitter.com/brmull/status/360192763502931968
- eli 13y ago
  You can read the read the tea leaves and see anything you want. It's unusual for so many Democrats to vote against a program being administered by a Democratic president.
  - streptomycin 13y ago
    Happens a lot: http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/ http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

jmspring 13y ago

Call me a pessimist, but those "strong on national security" might use this vote as a hammer against their opponents in future elections -- voted against securing this country against those terrorists... Sad that this was my first thought.