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Is this the will of the people?

by darkmethod 13y ago

paraxisi 13y ago
Not yet, but it's getting closer.
- meepmorp 13y ago
  Don't assume you're privy to the will of the people.
  - paraxisi 13y ago
    With >50% regularly in polls, I'd say it's a fairly safe bet.
    - meepmorp 13y ago
      Have a look at this poll by WashPost/ABC: http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1150a3SnowdenandSecurity.pdf http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1150a3SnowdenandSecuri... A majority of those surveyed now think Snowden should be criminally charged for his leaking and don't view the surveillance as an unjustified intrusion into people's privacy; interestingly, more people thought it wasn't an unjustified intrusion into their own privacy vs. the privacy of others. It's just one poll, yeah, but don't assume you know the will of the people.
      - subsection1h 13y ago
        Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in the poll you linked to, the question that's most relevant to Amash's amendment was the following: 17. Do you think that the National Security Agency's surveillance of telephone call records and internet traffic does or does not intrude on some Americans' privacy rights? Does Intrude: 74% Does Not Intrude: 22% No Opinion: 4%
        meepmorp 13y ago
        It's a bit more complicated than that. If you look further down, you'll see that there's a breakdown by people who feel the intrusion is justified or not. Further, when you look at responses for how people view the surveillance as an intrusion into their own privacy vs. that of others, you find people are either less likely to view it as an intrusion into their privacy or more likely to view it as a justified intrusion.
        rayiner 13y ago
        It clearly does "intrude" whatever that means, the question is: does it intrude illegally or unreasonably? The relevant chart is on page 2: 58% think it's either not an intrusion or a justified intrusion, and 34% think it's an unjustified intrusion.
georgechen 13y ago
My rep. actually voted NO to the bill, and I didn't like it. Guess what? I've since emailed my rep. so he now know how I feel. Next time, if similar vote comes up, I'll call my rep... That's how democracy work.
AsymetricCom 13y ago
Lets ask the press what the will of the people is first, so we know how we should feel about this.

Is this the will of the people?

paraxisi 13y ago

Not yet, but it's getting closer.

meepmorp 13y ago
Don't assume you're privy to the will of the people.
- paraxisi 13y ago
  With >50% regularly in polls, I'd say it's a fairly safe bet.
  - meepmorp 13y ago
    Have a look at this poll by WashPost/ABC: http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1150a3SnowdenandSecurity.pdf http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1150a3SnowdenandSecuri... A majority of those surveyed now think Snowden should be criminally charged for his leaking and don't view the surveillance as an unjustified intrusion into people's privacy; interestingly, more people thought it wasn't an unjustified intrusion into their own privacy vs. the privacy of others. It's just one poll, yeah, but don't assume you know the will of the people.
    - subsection1h 13y ago
      Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in the poll you linked to, the question that's most relevant to Amash's amendment was the following: 17. Do you think that the National Security Agency's surveillance of telephone call records and internet traffic does or does not intrude on some Americans' privacy rights? Does Intrude: 74% Does Not Intrude: 22% No Opinion: 4%
      - meepmorp 13y ago
        It's a bit more complicated than that. If you look further down, you'll see that there's a breakdown by people who feel the intrusion is justified or not. Further, when you look at responses for how people view the surveillance as an intrusion into their own privacy vs. that of others, you find people are either less likely to view it as an intrusion into their privacy or more likely to view it as a justified intrusion.
      - rayiner 13y ago
        It clearly does "intrude" whatever that means, the question is: does it intrude illegally or unreasonably? The relevant chart is on page 2: 58% think it's either not an intrusion or a justified intrusion, and 34% think it's an unjustified intrusion.

georgechen 13y ago

My rep. actually voted NO to the bill, and I didn't like it. Guess what? I've since emailed my rep. so he now know how I feel. Next time, if similar vote comes up, I'll call my rep... That's how democracy work.

AsymetricCom 13y ago

Lets ask the press what the will of the people is first, so we know how we should feel about this.