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Would be interested in a consolidated list names of those who voted in favor and against this bill.

dlg 13y ago
It's not available yet, but will be posted first at http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2013&rollnumber=412&TB_iframe=true&height=400&width=650 http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2013&rollnumber... SF HNers: Rep. Pelosi was against the ammendment.
- gonzo 13y ago
  so vote her out.
  - flyt 13y ago
    Good luck with that, she is an incumbent and incumbents have a greater than 90% reelection rate. All of her primary challengers have been total nuts like Cindy Sheehan in the past, and she easily coasts to victory every two years.
    - igravious 13y ago
      Ah you must mean that nutbag Cindy Sheehan whose son was killed during the ill-judged invasion/occupation of Iraq. "Near the end of his active service, the U.S. invasion of Iraq began. [Casey] Sheehan reenlisted, knowing that his unit would be sent there.[5] Sheehan's division, the First Cavalry Division, was sent to Iraq. On March 19, 2004, Sheehan's Battery C, 1st Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, arrived at FOB Camp War Eagle in Sadr City. On April 4, 2004, Sheehan was killed in action after volunteering to be part of a Quick Reaction Force to rescue American troops." She then goes on to become a vocal critic of the previous and current admin. She becomes an antiwar activist.
      - flyt 13y ago
        I don't doubt that she has conviction, but I question her ability to be an effective advocate in Congress compared to the (then) Speaker of the House.
    - WildUtah 13y ago
      Maybe Ro Khanna will move over and run against her! Seriously, though, Swalwell proved that it can be done. Get somebody serious to run against her. I know I always relished voting against her when I lived in SF even though I had to hold my nose and vote Republican.
    - ajays 13y ago
      > incumbents have a greater than 90% reelection rate Which is mind-boggling, considering that the Congress' approval rating is 12% ! Thing about it: only 12% of the people think that the Congress is doing a good job, and these people STILL get re-elected! Is it any wonder that we're in this mess? http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/07/24/obama-congress-nbc-wall-street-journal-poll/2581993/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/07/24/obama-congr...
      - mjn 13y ago
        That's Congress's general approval rating, when you ask someone to nonspecifically rate "Congress". When you ask them to rate their own specific Congressperson (which is who they can vote for or against), approval averages around 45-50%, and rises to 60% among people who actually know the Representative's name [1]. So the average American strongly dislikes Representatives from other districts, but is okay with their own. [1] http://www.gallup.com/poll/162362/americans-down-congress-own-representative.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/162362/americans-down-congress-ow...
- benihana 13y ago
  SF HNers: Rep. Pelosi was against the ammendment. Surprising no one.
- jcdavis 13y ago
  Its worth noting that from my quick glance, she was the only Bay Area congressperson to vote No. Incredibly disappointed
  - _delirium 13y ago
    Depends on what you count as the Bay Area, but here's a tally for a sort of extended version of it: CA-2: Huffman (D), yes CA-3: Garamendi (D), yes CA-5: Thompson (D), no CA-11: Miller (D), yes CA-12: Pelosi (D), no CA-13: Lee (D), yes CA-14: Speier (D), yes CA-15: Swalwell (D), yes CA-17: Honda (D), yes CA-18: Eshoo (D), yes CA-19: Lofgren (D), yes CA-20: Farr (D), yes So 10/12 of the Bay Area voted yes, rather disproportionately in favor compared to the nationwide vote. Until putting together this list, I hadn't actually realized there are no Republicans in the entire extended Bay Area, incidentally. You have to go all the way to Modesto to find a GOP Congressman (in CA-10, where Denham voted "no").
  - ajays 13y ago
    Because the SF people vote her in like sheep, again and again. She knows her seat is not threatened, so she'll vote in her _own_ interests. I refuse to vote for her. I'll vote for the Republican challenger every time.
    - bodyfour 13y ago
      Or, perhaps a little less cynically: she's the minority leader so she's expected to vote in the party's interest. When your party holds the White House that basically means supporting the administration. I don't mean this as a defense of Pelosi though. I'm also in CA-12; I usually just abstain from voting for US Rep.
unimpressive 13y ago
I would be interested in knowing where I can find this sort of information in general.
- deleted 13y ago
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- svachalek 13y ago
  govtrack.us generally has this info although I don't think this particular vote is posted yet.
- emhart 13y ago
  Senate: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_113_1.htm http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_m... House: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/index.asp http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/index.asp
- hga 13y ago
  Look later (today or definitely tomorrow) at http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php ; click on Bill Number, enter H.R. 2397 (periods are necessary), click on the correct search result. For this particular amendment and vote, go to the lower right corner where there's "All Congressional Actions with Amendments".
- cinquemb 13y ago
  here's raw if the links posted by others are 404ing for you: https://gist.github.com/beaugunderson/6075673 https://gist.github.com/beaugunderson/6075673
clarkm 13y ago
Here is the roll call with a map from the NYT: http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/412 http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/412 Not only did the vote fail to break along party lines, it didn't break along geographic lines either. Outside of the Bay Area, I don't see any obvious patterns, like an urban / rural split. Does anyone see anything else?
- mturmon 13y ago
  Good question. It's more muddled than typical votes. If you take the party line (Dems favored the amendment, Reps disfavored) as a baseline, you have to explain two things: solid red (R's who voted Yes) and striped blue (D's who voted No). So, the regional delta's on that baseline: (1) the Western states (Montana down to New Mexico) had plenty of Republican votes for (solid red); (2) the DC-NY area had more Dem votes against (striped blue). The standard explanation of (1) would be libertarian Westerners, and for (2) would be, that was where 9/11 was, plus that's where much of the intelligence community lives. If you're in the government, you may trust the government more. I don't know how to explain the consistent voting of Tennessee and South Carolina.
  - ars 13y ago
    I don't think you can take that party line as a baseline. The president is democrat and is for it - democrat congressmen would have to notice that. But they didn't. I think this issue simply has no party division, it.s each person with their own opinion. (If only all politics could be like that.)
    - mturmon 13y ago
      Sure, each congressperson has their own opinion. But this observation provides no explanatory power. As others have said, one crude characterization of D/R split is that R is generally more supportive of spending for national security. I think this provides the ideological basis for the D/R split. The interests of the President are not aligned with those of Congress in this case: the President is a consumer of the intel. This is why the D's in Congress did not follow him. Additionally, I suspect that Congresspersons have noticed that their constituents are getting restless about intel collection. Obama doesn't have to run for election again, but they do. As an observer of politics, I too find this vote very interesting.

dlg 13y ago

It's not available yet, but will be posted first at http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2013&rollnumber=412&TB_iframe=true&height=400&width=650 http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2013&rollnumber... SF HNers: Rep. Pelosi was against the ammendment.

gonzo 13y ago
so vote her out.
- flyt 13y ago
  Good luck with that, she is an incumbent and incumbents have a greater than 90% reelection rate. All of her primary challengers have been total nuts like Cindy Sheehan in the past, and she easily coasts to victory every two years.
  - igravious 13y ago
    Ah you must mean that nutbag Cindy Sheehan whose son was killed during the ill-judged invasion/occupation of Iraq. "Near the end of his active service, the U.S. invasion of Iraq began. [Casey] Sheehan reenlisted, knowing that his unit would be sent there.[5] Sheehan's division, the First Cavalry Division, was sent to Iraq. On March 19, 2004, Sheehan's Battery C, 1st Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, arrived at FOB Camp War Eagle in Sadr City. On April 4, 2004, Sheehan was killed in action after volunteering to be part of a Quick Reaction Force to rescue American troops." She then goes on to become a vocal critic of the previous and current admin. She becomes an antiwar activist.
    - flyt 13y ago
      I don't doubt that she has conviction, but I question her ability to be an effective advocate in Congress compared to the (then) Speaker of the House.
  - WildUtah 13y ago
    Maybe Ro Khanna will move over and run against her! Seriously, though, Swalwell proved that it can be done. Get somebody serious to run against her. I know I always relished voting against her when I lived in SF even though I had to hold my nose and vote Republican.
  - ajays 13y ago
    > incumbents have a greater than 90% reelection rate Which is mind-boggling, considering that the Congress' approval rating is 12% ! Thing about it: only 12% of the people think that the Congress is doing a good job, and these people STILL get re-elected! Is it any wonder that we're in this mess? http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/07/24/obama-congress-nbc-wall-street-journal-poll/2581993/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/07/24/obama-congr...
    - mjn 13y ago
      That's Congress's general approval rating, when you ask someone to nonspecifically rate "Congress". When you ask them to rate their own specific Congressperson (which is who they can vote for or against), approval averages around 45-50%, and rises to 60% among people who actually know the Representative's name [1]. So the average American strongly dislikes Representatives from other districts, but is okay with their own. [1] http://www.gallup.com/poll/162362/americans-down-congress-own-representative.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/162362/americans-down-congress-ow...
benihana 13y ago
SF HNers: Rep. Pelosi was against the ammendment. Surprising no one.
jcdavis 13y ago
Its worth noting that from my quick glance, she was the only Bay Area congressperson to vote No. Incredibly disappointed
- _delirium 13y ago
  Depends on what you count as the Bay Area, but here's a tally for a sort of extended version of it: CA-2: Huffman (D), yes CA-3: Garamendi (D), yes CA-5: Thompson (D), no CA-11: Miller (D), yes CA-12: Pelosi (D), no CA-13: Lee (D), yes CA-14: Speier (D), yes CA-15: Swalwell (D), yes CA-17: Honda (D), yes CA-18: Eshoo (D), yes CA-19: Lofgren (D), yes CA-20: Farr (D), yes So 10/12 of the Bay Area voted yes, rather disproportionately in favor compared to the nationwide vote. Until putting together this list, I hadn't actually realized there are no Republicans in the entire extended Bay Area, incidentally. You have to go all the way to Modesto to find a GOP Congressman (in CA-10, where Denham voted "no").
- ajays 13y ago
  Because the SF people vote her in like sheep, again and again. She knows her seat is not threatened, so she'll vote in her _own_ interests. I refuse to vote for her. I'll vote for the Republican challenger every time.
  - bodyfour 13y ago
    Or, perhaps a little less cynically: she's the minority leader so she's expected to vote in the party's interest. When your party holds the White House that basically means supporting the administration. I don't mean this as a defense of Pelosi though. I'm also in CA-12; I usually just abstain from voting for US Rep.

unimpressive 13y ago

I would be interested in knowing where I can find this sort of information in general.

deleted 13y ago
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svachalek 13y ago
govtrack.us generally has this info although I don't think this particular vote is posted yet.
emhart 13y ago
Senate: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_113_1.htm http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_m... House: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/index.asp http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/index.asp
hga 13y ago
Look later (today or definitely tomorrow) at http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php ; click on Bill Number, enter H.R. 2397 (periods are necessary), click on the correct search result. For this particular amendment and vote, go to the lower right corner where there's "All Congressional Actions with Amendments".
cinquemb 13y ago
here's raw if the links posted by others are 404ing for you: https://gist.github.com/beaugunderson/6075673 https://gist.github.com/beaugunderson/6075673

clarkm 13y ago

Here is the roll call with a map from the NYT: http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/412 http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/412 Not only did the vote fail to break along party lines, it didn't break along geographic lines either. Outside of the Bay Area, I don't see any obvious patterns, like an urban / rural split. Does anyone see anything else?

mturmon 13y ago
Good question. It's more muddled than typical votes. If you take the party line (Dems favored the amendment, Reps disfavored) as a baseline, you have to explain two things: solid red (R's who voted Yes) and striped blue (D's who voted No). So, the regional delta's on that baseline: (1) the Western states (Montana down to New Mexico) had plenty of Republican votes for (solid red); (2) the DC-NY area had more Dem votes against (striped blue). The standard explanation of (1) would be libertarian Westerners, and for (2) would be, that was where 9/11 was, plus that's where much of the intelligence community lives. If you're in the government, you may trust the government more. I don't know how to explain the consistent voting of Tennessee and South Carolina.
- ars 13y ago
  I don't think you can take that party line as a baseline. The president is democrat and is for it - democrat congressmen would have to notice that. But they didn't. I think this issue simply has no party division, it.s each person with their own opinion. (If only all politics could be like that.)
  - mturmon 13y ago
    Sure, each congressperson has their own opinion. But this observation provides no explanatory power. As others have said, one crude characterization of D/R split is that R is generally more supportive of spending for national security. I think this provides the ideological basis for the D/R split. The interests of the President are not aligned with those of Congress in this case: the President is a consumer of the intel. This is why the D's in Congress did not follow him. Additionally, I suspect that Congresspersons have noticed that their constituents are getting restless about intel collection. Obama doesn't have to run for election again, but they do. As an observer of politics, I too find this vote very interesting.