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Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)
- jf 13y agoNeal Stephenson is missing from this list: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/NealStephenson http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/NealStephenson
- vilhelm_s 13y agoAnd Vernor Vinge (http://www.norwescon.org/archives/norwescon33/vingeinterview.htm http://www.norwescon.org/archives/norwescon33/vingeinterview...).
- AimHere 13y agoEben Moglen is also not there - sure he's now a Stallman collaborator and involved with the FSF, but he is 'just' a lawyer and/or law professor - yet in one of his earliest contacts with RMS, he apparently already claimed to use emacs every day.
- jf 13y agoWhitfield Diffie is also an Emacs user. I once sat behind him at an awards ceremony and was able to observe him hacking on Emacs lisp during the event. That was the highlight of my month.
- omaranto 13y agoWhat does hacking ON Emacs lisp mean? Does it mean working on Emacs's lisp interpreter's source? Or on some project written in Emacs lisp?
- pvdm 13y agoFor me it means writing an .el extension.
- stettix 13y agoYes, that's exactly what he was doing when one time I approached him to sign my copy of his book!
- lispython 13y agoNeal Stephenson is in the original list, but he is switched to Scrivener now. http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2011/09/19/neal-stephenson-reamde-video-games/2/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2011/09/19/neal-steph...
- parennoob 13y agoJosh Nimoy, because he uses emacs and got it into Tron http://jtnimoy.net/workviewer.php?q=178 http://jtnimoy.net/workviewer.php?q=178
- csmatt 13y agoSomehow missed that. I love how many geekster eggs were in that movie!
- shardling 13y agoSpeaking of sf/fantasy authors, Steve Brust writes using emacs. (And on mandrake linux, according to the acknowledgements of this unpublished work: http://dreamcafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/My-Own-Kind-of-Freedom-Steven-Brust.pdf http://dreamcafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/My-Own-Kind-...)
- justin66 13y agoJack Chalker sited Framemaker and Borland Sprint as favorites because of their EMACS-like features: http://web.archive.org/web/19990819062835/http://jackchalker.com/jlc-home.htm http://web.archive.org/web/19990819062835/http://jackchalker... Sprint's a real member of the EMACS family tree but I don't know about Framemaker.
- stevekemp 13y agoYes I saw in the foreword/afterword in one of his recent books a credit for somebody helping him with Emacs Macros. I was disappointed we didn't know what kind of macros they were.
- zach 13y agoAlso, Ken Jennings writes his weekly trivia challenge in Emacs: http://www.ken-jennings.com/messageboards/viewtopic.php?p=12615#p12615 http://www.ken-jennings.com/messageboards/viewtopic.php?p=12... That's maybe not the ideal endorsement, though. Ken is a great guy, but having the trivia champion of the world saying he is an enthusiastic Emacs user... well, it doesn't improve Emacs' reputation as an editor for lovers of the esoteric.
- unknownian 13y agoDecently surprising list, at least for me. I think the Torvalds-Stallman relationship got more complicated in my head.
- kroger 13y agoTo be fair, Linus uses uemacs. He says "real" emacs is the tool of the devil ;-) https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LinusTorvalds/posts/iySKQGtkmtb https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LinusTorvalds/posts/iySKQGtkmtb
- adestefan 13y agoAnd the last line of the last commit to his uemacs repo is, "I really should just learn another editor, rather than continue to polish this turd." http://git.kernel.org/cgit/editors/uemacs/uemacs.git/diff/?id=fa00fe882f719351fdf7a4c4100baf4f3eab4d61 http://git.kernel.org/cgit/editors/uemacs/uemacs.git/diff/?i...
- roryokane 13y agoYou mean the last line of the commit message, at http://git.kernel.org/cgit/editors/uemacs/uemacs.git/commit/?id=fa00fe882f719351fdf7a4c4100baf4f3eab4d61 http://git.kernel.org/cgit/editors/uemacs/uemacs.git/commit/.... Your link just shows the code diff.
- kabdib 13y agoI'm happy to use Emacs. I'm also perfectly comfortable to personally and professionally dislike RMS.
- e3pi 13y ago>I'm also perfectly comfortable to personally and professionally dislike RMS. Why? You do know of course, the innocent spirit of this dear man was traumatized at MIT's lab due to closed source proprietary commercializing --before, but around the time of-- Symbolics grabbing and zipping up Macsyma, or, ...something like that?
- chrisallick 13y agoMost Famous: The hacker from http://books.google.com/books/about/CUCKOO_S_EGG.html?id=0q1_5QkqV8EC http://books.google.com/books/about/CUCKOO_S_EGG.html?id=0q1... hahaha.
- hk__2 13y agoDoes anybody has the same list with vi?
- Watabou 13y agoVim not vi. Or does anyone actually use vi?
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- daniel-cussen 13y agoI think pg uses vi.
- meepmorp 13y ago> Or does anyone actually use vi? Folks working on machines without vim who don't have root. Source: an 18 month consulting gig several years ago.
- LukeShu 13y agoThey usually have one of the many clones of vi, installed as vi. Very few use actual vi, because for many years it was out-of-bounds because it used AT&T code from ed.
- meepmorp 13y agoYeah, I meant whatever generic vi-alike is installed instead of vim.
- voltagex_ 13y agoInteresting. What's the easiest way to check which vi binary I have?
- a3n 13y ago$ update-alternatives --display vi vi - auto mode link currently points to /usr/bin/vim.gtk ... Or you could brute force it: $ ll $(which vi) lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 May 16 17:14 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi* $ ll /etc/alternatives/vi lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 17 06:07 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.gtk* $ ll /usr/bin/vim.gtk -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2391176 Apr 2 03:18 /usr/bin/vim.gtk* vim.gtk is likely coded to behave differently depending on how it was invoked, as vim or vi for example.
- jpdoctor 13y ago> Richard Stallman – the creator of GNU Emacs, the founder of GNU Did anybody think he was secretly using vi in the closet?
- rthomas6 13y agoI still think he is. He's too productive not to be.
- unimpressive 13y agoIt's probably a lot easier to learn emacs when you implement it.
- foobarbazqux 13y agoRMS hasn't built anything in ages! (As far as I know.)
- gnufied 13y agoBy "build" if you meant RMS stopped coding ages ago then you are wrong. He still contributes quite a lot to Emacs (https://github.com/mirrors/emacs/commits/master https://github.com/mirrors/emacs/commits/master) I am pretty sure I can dig up other projects he is still coding in. but RMS hasn't stopped coding.
- foobarbazqux 13y agoI meant new projects. I just wouldn't describe him as "too productive" now, not compared to the early days. Unlike that other lovable teddy bear, Linus. RMS has even written about his shift out of development IIRC, about how political work is more important to him now.
- pavanky 13y agoLinus frequently talks about how all he does these days is merge stuff with very little coding of his own.
- ezy 13y agoHow are RMS & JWZ not famous for using emacs? I was expecting more people outside of the usual computer science & industry suspects.
- michaelhoffman 13y agoI agree, several of those people are famous in large part because of their contributions to Emacs.
- _delirium 13y agoIsn't JWZ mainly famous for Netscape (and later the DNA Lounge)? I didn't know he had anything to do with Emacs until I Googled to see what that was about.
- ryanwatkins 13y ago> Isn't JWZ mainly famous for Netscape (and later the DNA Lounge)? Depends on when you were born.
- klibertp 13y agoOr what you've read. I first met Zawinski through Coders at Work and he immediately became my hero. Working on Lucid/XEmacs was but one reason why.
- fsck--off 13y agoI find it strange that Daniel Weinreb, Guy Steele and Richard Stallman are on this list. Steele co-wrote ?macs with David Moon and John Kulp. Dan Weinreb was a beta tester on ?macs before Stallman joined the project, and he would later become the first one to write an Emacs in a lisp (EINE). Stallman, of course, created GNU Emacs. Putting them on a list with Assange and Zuckerberg is ridiculous.
- tzs 13y agoIt's a list of people who are (1) famous AND (2) Emacs users AND who would still be famous if they were not Emacs users. Weinreb, Steele, and Stallman all fit this. Also, you make it sound like Stallman wasn't involved in Emacs from the start. In fact, Stallman and Steele wrote the FIRST Emacs. Everyone else you named came after.
- momo-reina 13y agoThe E in Emacs was contributed by Stallman, this was when he had already joined the project. Previously, the project had another name and other hackers were involved. "Frustrated, Steele took it upon himself to the solve the problem. He gathered together the four different macro packages and began assembling a chart documenting the most useful macro commands. In the course of implementing the design specified by the chart, Steele says he attracted Stallman's attention. "He started looking over my shoulder, asking me what I was doing," recalls Steele. For Steele, a soft-spoken hacker who interacted with Stallman infrequently, the memory still sticks out. Looking over another hacker's shoulder while he worked was a common activity at the AI Lab. Stallman, the TECO maintainer at the lab, deemed Steele's work "interesting" and quickly set off to complete it. "As I like to say, I did the first 0.001 percent of the implementation, and Stallman did the rest," says Steele with a laugh. The project's new name, Emacs, came courtesy of Stallman.[1] I think Coders at Work, by Peter Seibel, also talks a little about this in one of the interviews. [1] Free as in Freedom
- baby 13y agoSadly the amount of resource to learn emacs is pretty sparse while it is not for vim. Also emacs doesn't run properly on windows (at least not on an azerty keyboard)
- daat418 13y agoNot one of your statements are true. In fact, everything you just said is 100% bullshit.
- baby 13y agoWell those are my problems, I've been trying to get into Emacs for a pretty long time and have no gave up to use Sublime. But if I'm in a terminal I'll use Emacs, inefficiently but this is my go to.
- mickeyp 13y agoHello, I run the blog mastering emacs - please let me know if there are any articles you want me to cover.
- baby 13y agohow to run emacs with an azerty keyboard on windows would be one :)
- neonscribe 13y agoSadly, Dan Weinreb died almost a year ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Weinreb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Weinreb
- hmart 13y agoJames Gosling still uses Emacs?
- hmart 13y agoOoops http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/207799/don_t_use_emacs_says_java_father/ http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/207799/don_t_use_ema...
- bhaak 13y agoHe proposes NetBeans over Emacs. I can understand this, if you want to write Java code (I prefer Eclipse [which of course has Emacs keybindings], but that is another issue). But NetBeans for anything but Java? I don't think so. "While NetBeans is open source, Gosling said almost nobody bothers to modify its code because of its complexity." Isn't this terrible for an Open Source project? Emacs still has tons of commits by various developers. Is there at least a healthy community producing plugins for NetBeans?
- codex 13y agoWhat's funny is that none of these people are actually working software engineers, at least anymore. Even Linus doesn't write much code. Perhaps that's a consequence of being famous, or necessary to be famous. But it also allows the counter-argument that Emacs has been supplanted by newer editors by active practitioners.
- kzrdude 13y agoNot famous. Because they are managers or otherwise in senior roles.
- j_m_b 13y agoI never saw a picture of Stallman so young.
- ekianjo 13y agoThere are videos on youtube from his early carrier - with a beard but looking young as well.
- kabdib 13y agoMany of the "programmer heavies" at MS used Epsilon (an Emacs clone with quite good Windows integration). To be fair, a lot of them also used vim. Notably, few of them liked Visual Studio all that much.
- outworlder 13y agoMaybe that's why previous versions of Visual Studio came with Emacs keybindings by default? Unfortunately, the latest VS is missing those.
- yfefyf 13y agoMany of them are famous Lisp programmers. Of course, Lisp grogrammers use Emacs.
- wglb 13y agoMostly; Paul Graham being an exception.
- RRRA 13y agoThis is mostly news because of RMS' photo without a beard :D
- saraid216 13y agoIs there a list of emacs users who are famous for using emacs?
- S4M 13y agoSteve Yegge?
- Meatball_py 13y agoThere is a list on the EmacsWiki
- imdhmd 13y agovery confusing title
- lifeisstillgood 13y agoAaaaaaah. Social Proof. :-)
- kevin818 13y agoCould someone explain what program Mark used in The Social Network movie when he was viewing the traffic for facemash.com? I've never seen that kind of clean logging before - at least not for php/apache. http://i0.wp.com/wenshanren.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/wpid-mark-uses-emacs-from-quora.png http://i0.wp.com/wenshanren.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/w...
- donniezazen 13y agoI wonder what Linux distribution he used.
- wglb 13y agoEven though Linus is on this list, it is for using MicroEMACS, which is really not very close to Emacs. Same keybindings, yes, but significantly smaller editor. Certainly less powerful than most any version of VI. I have MicroEMACS running on my HP200lx. Disclaimer: I worked with Dave Conroy, the author of MicroEMACS for a short while.