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Government != society. By not allowing any excuse for violence (including self-defence) and seeking voluntary arrangement with people around you to protect your
by oleganza 13y ago
Government != society. By not allowing any excuse for violence (including self-defence) and seeking voluntary arrangement with people around you to protect yourselves you are not isolating yourself. On contrary, you solve the social problem socially, not brutally like today with government.
- mpyne 13y agoWait, you intend to take away my right to defend myself too? Fuck that, me being defenseless ended circa high school. Never again.
- oleganza 13y agoYou don't have any rights. These are just unproven words or bribes given to you by the people with power. Of course, you'd have to protect yourself when attacked, no question about it. But it's not a moral choice, it's an extreme case where you don't have any choice. So I'm not going to prove any libertarian rights platform based on right to self-defense. Without government, rights will appear in a form of voluntary agreement in parts of society on what's acceptable and what's not. E.g. if in Texas it's acceptable to kill trespassers without asking question, then so be it. I don't like this rule, so I'd just avoid being in Texas. But neither my opinion, nor cowboy's opinion create any globally applicable rights. I just don't want some mafia to take over people living in Texas and dictate them what they can or cannot do. They'd better decide themselves and smoothly adjust as new people arrive or get born there.
- ensignavenger 13y agoAre you proposing that it isn't okay to use violence to defend yourself- but that it is okay to make "voluntary arrangement with the people around you" to use violence to protect you? So then it is okay for me to use violence to protect a neighbor, but not to protect myself? I'm confused at what you are trying to advocate here?