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Look I don't want to open a can of worms but my original comment is dead or I'd edit it. I did not mean that because one Turkish company did something untoward

Look I don't want to open a can of worms but my original comment is dead or I'd edit it. I did not mean that because one Turkish company did something untoward it automatically colors all Turkish people. I only meant that the most recent piece of news about Turkey with respect to computer security was the certificate incident. If that's worthy of pitchforks so be it, but I hardly think it's racist. To be clear, I am not saying all Turkish security researchers are evil criminals bent on world domination. I am saying that the most recent piece of news I can I recall about security in Turkey was the issue with the google cert.

mtrimpe 13y ago
I made this comment below as well, but just try replacing Turkish with gay and see how your comment sounds then. Somewhat related; when I was gay I one of the easiest giveaways of a closet homophobe was if the first sentence out of their mouth was: "I don't have a problem with gays," usually followed up by "my friend/cousin/uncle is gay." Like you probably, they were usually pretty sweet homophobes because they were already self-censoring, but they were almost always homophobes nonetheless.
- josh2600 13y ago
  Again, I'm not trying to open a can of worms, but I don't think noting a recent news piece makes me tantamount to a homophobic person. Is it not accurate that the last piece of security news from Turkey was about the SSL issue? Your implication tha I'm self-censoring is unwelcome and inaccurate. My word choice in my original comment might've been poor, but you're going a bit too far in your analogy. Again, I'm not saying all Turkish people are corrupt security researchers. I am simply saying that, perhaps I am ignorant, but the biggest security news I've seen out of Turkey was the SSL heist and now this. It does not imply, again, that all Turkish people are bad, it is only an evaluation of a piece of information with an attempt to provide a bit of context. In getting back to the original point, it seems quite odd that the researcher had to attack Apple after his disclosure and it seems even odder to release customer information in a YouTube video. Does that sound like a senior security researcher to you?
muhuk 13y ago
I am Turkish, and I am more of a nationalist than my friends. But I fail to see how josh2600's comment is racist. Are those not facts? Was it implying something that I missed?
- josh2600 13y ago
  Don't ever mention anyone's ethnicity on the Internet. Lesson learned. Nothing I said was inaccurate, the folks on HN just didn't like how I said it.

mtrimpe 13y ago

I made this comment below as well, but just try replacing Turkish with gay and see how your comment sounds then. Somewhat related; when I was gay I one of the easiest giveaways of a closet homophobe was if the first sentence out of their mouth was: "I don't have a problem with gays," usually followed up by "my friend/cousin/uncle is gay." Like you probably, they were usually pretty sweet homophobes because they were already self-censoring, but they were almost always homophobes nonetheless.

josh2600 13y ago
Again, I'm not trying to open a can of worms, but I don't think noting a recent news piece makes me tantamount to a homophobic person. Is it not accurate that the last piece of security news from Turkey was about the SSL issue? Your implication tha I'm self-censoring is unwelcome and inaccurate. My word choice in my original comment might've been poor, but you're going a bit too far in your analogy. Again, I'm not saying all Turkish people are corrupt security researchers. I am simply saying that, perhaps I am ignorant, but the biggest security news I've seen out of Turkey was the SSL heist and now this. It does not imply, again, that all Turkish people are bad, it is only an evaluation of a piece of information with an attempt to provide a bit of context. In getting back to the original point, it seems quite odd that the researcher had to attack Apple after his disclosure and it seems even odder to release customer information in a YouTube video. Does that sound like a senior security researcher to you?

muhuk 13y ago

I am Turkish, and I am more of a nationalist than my friends. But I fail to see how josh2600's comment is racist. Are those not facts? Was it implying something that I missed?

josh2600 13y ago
Don't ever mention anyone's ethnicity on the Internet. Lesson learned. Nothing I said was inaccurate, the folks on HN just didn't like how I said it.