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> I'm not one to put folks into stereotypes based upon where they're from You are definitely putting folks into stereotypes based upon where they're from. Thi

> I'm not one to put folks into stereotypes based upon where they're from You are definitely putting folks into stereotypes based upon where they're from. This was probably not ethical, but he sure could have been anyone in the world. The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person.

zxcdw 13y ago
> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person. To nitpick offtopic: Is there any proof of this? That "personality charasteristics" are completely independent of any other such charasteristics? I would believe that there's some correlation between various personality charasteristics, as a hypotethical example consider "ethical" people to be more likely to be helpful/nice and "unethical" be less helpful/nice. Not that this has anything to do with... anything but... :( Sorry!
- a3n 13y ago
  I've read recently, here and there, that unethical behavior correlates with higher income. (And please, it's a probability ...)
computer 13y ago
> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person. So it's innate and completely random? Social environment growing up doesn't matter? Wealth, social class, education, intelligence, none of that matters at all?
micampe 13y ago
> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person. Given that ethics are strongly related to one’s culture, I find this unlikely as a general statement. What can be ethical for me may not be ethical for you. Think about guns, abortion, etc, even clothing.
josh2600 13y ago
Look I don't want to open a can of worms but my original comment is dead or I'd edit it. I did not mean that because one Turkish company did something untoward it automatically colors all Turkish people. I only meant that the most recent piece of news about Turkey with respect to computer security was the certificate incident. If that's worthy of pitchforks so be it, but I hardly think it's racist. To be clear, I am not saying all Turkish security researchers are evil criminals bent on world domination. I am saying that the most recent piece of news I can I recall about security in Turkey was the issue with the google cert.
- mtrimpe 13y ago
  I made this comment below as well, but just try replacing Turkish with gay and see how your comment sounds then. Somewhat related; when I was gay I one of the easiest giveaways of a closet homophobe was if the first sentence out of their mouth was: "I don't have a problem with gays," usually followed up by "my friend/cousin/uncle is gay." Like you probably, they were usually pretty sweet homophobes because they were already self-censoring, but they were almost always homophobes nonetheless.
  - josh2600 13y ago
    Again, I'm not trying to open a can of worms, but I don't think noting a recent news piece makes me tantamount to a homophobic person. Is it not accurate that the last piece of security news from Turkey was about the SSL issue? Your implication tha I'm self-censoring is unwelcome and inaccurate. My word choice in my original comment might've been poor, but you're going a bit too far in your analogy. Again, I'm not saying all Turkish people are corrupt security researchers. I am simply saying that, perhaps I am ignorant, but the biggest security news I've seen out of Turkey was the SSL heist and now this. It does not imply, again, that all Turkish people are bad, it is only an evaluation of a piece of information with an attempt to provide a bit of context. In getting back to the original point, it seems quite odd that the researcher had to attack Apple after his disclosure and it seems even odder to release customer information in a YouTube video. Does that sound like a senior security researcher to you?
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zxcdw 13y ago

> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person. To nitpick offtopic: Is there any proof of this? That "personality charasteristics" are completely independent of any other such charasteristics? I would believe that there's some correlation between various personality charasteristics, as a hypotethical example consider "ethical" people to be more likely to be helpful/nice and "unethical" be less helpful/nice. Not that this has anything to do with... anything but... :( Sorry!

a3n 13y ago
I've read recently, here and there, that unethical behavior correlates with higher income. (And please, it's a probability ...)

computer 13y ago

> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person. So it's innate and completely random? Social environment growing up doesn't matter? Wealth, social class, education, intelligence, none of that matters at all?

micampe 13y ago

> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person. Given that ethics are strongly related to one’s culture, I find this unlikely as a general statement. What can be ethical for me may not be ethical for you. Think about guns, abortion, etc, even clothing.

josh2600 13y ago

Look I don't want to open a can of worms but my original comment is dead or I'd edit it. I did not mean that because one Turkish company did something untoward it automatically colors all Turkish people. I only meant that the most recent piece of news about Turkey with respect to computer security was the certificate incident. If that's worthy of pitchforks so be it, but I hardly think it's racist. To be clear, I am not saying all Turkish security researchers are evil criminals bent on world domination. I am saying that the most recent piece of news I can I recall about security in Turkey was the issue with the google cert.

mtrimpe 13y ago
I made this comment below as well, but just try replacing Turkish with gay and see how your comment sounds then. Somewhat related; when I was gay I one of the easiest giveaways of a closet homophobe was if the first sentence out of their mouth was: "I don't have a problem with gays," usually followed up by "my friend/cousin/uncle is gay." Like you probably, they were usually pretty sweet homophobes because they were already self-censoring, but they were almost always homophobes nonetheless.
- josh2600 13y ago
  Again, I'm not trying to open a can of worms, but I don't think noting a recent news piece makes me tantamount to a homophobic person. Is it not accurate that the last piece of security news from Turkey was about the SSL issue? Your implication tha I'm self-censoring is unwelcome and inaccurate. My word choice in my original comment might've been poor, but you're going a bit too far in your analogy. Again, I'm not saying all Turkish people are corrupt security researchers. I am simply saying that, perhaps I am ignorant, but the biggest security news I've seen out of Turkey was the SSL heist and now this. It does not imply, again, that all Turkish people are bad, it is only an evaluation of a piece of information with an attempt to provide a bit of context. In getting back to the original point, it seems quite odd that the researcher had to attack Apple after his disclosure and it seems even odder to release customer information in a YouTube video. Does that sound like a senior security researcher to you?
13y ago