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Leap Motion Has Launched
- sairamkunala 13y agoEngadget Review - http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/22/leap-motion-controller-review/ http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/22/leap-motion-controller-re...
- mrbill 13y agoToo bad a lot of people who pre-ordered via Kickstarter haven't even gotten their shipping confirmations yet.
- millerm 13y agoYeah, I got an update yesterday that my credit card info was no longer valid and had to enter a new one. Guess I must have replaced the card since then. I hope I get mine in a timely manner. I'm glad I am not the only one who hasn't received a confirmation of shipment. Well, not glad... But, perhaps it's just the norm at the moment and that is somewhat encouraging. Edited to say: "Man, I use the word 'I' enough in that post."
- fnordfnordfnord 13y agoThis is annoying. I guess my card expired. I ordered the damn thing in Feb.
- errnoh 13y agoYeah similar problem. Preordered year ago in June but no credit card charges have been made, nor have I received any emails about shipping. I did call them today and they couldn't even find the order, even though it was still fine couple weeks ago. (This is an international order btw) Anyways, the product still looks great and the customer support has been fast to reply so I have no complaints about that either. I was just quite eager to start developing some projects for it.
- mrbill 13y agoMea culpa: a few hours after I posted this comment, I got my "Your Leap Motion order has shipped!" email.
- antr 13y agoI've cancelled my pre-order. I feel that as a "pre-order" customer I've been let down. After a year of waiting, other non pre-order customers will get their LeapMotion before I do. Why did I pre-order a product when there is no "pre"? Additionally, developer feedback on the product is not that positive.
- williwu 13y agoIt wasn't on Kickstarter. They did pre-order from the get go.
- millerm 13y agoI am so looking forward to getting mine. I ordered the thing in August of last year. Guess they didn't like my application for a touch free interface for some hospital software I've worked on to get me an early development device. I thought the idea of the possibility of zero infection risk interface would be a great plus for this. But, they wanted apps for the masses I'm guessing.
- hongquan 13y agoThis would have been a great app, instead of just rehashed games.
- 14113 13y agoThey didn't like that, but they liked my application for a gesture based file browser? I feel bad for being on the dev program now...
- ggoodale 13y agoIt's also possible that medical applications (and, by extension, deploying the hardware in a hospital) would require them to have a whole different set of dev, manufacturing, and QA procedures, much like flight control and other "mission critical" software.
- millerm 13y agoCould be. But, again, they can use iPads and other random tablets, cheap PCs bought from anywhere on the internet, flea market computer mice and keyboards, cheap flatscreen tv's for the wall, etc. and that doesn't seem to be a problem. :-)
- abrichr 13y agoMy proposal was for a medical data manipulation tool for surgeons in an operating room, and I received one. Maybe I just beat you to it ;)
- millerm 13y agoWell, congrats! I hope it's been fun! I'm excited.
- ekianjo 13y agoOne of our HN Kansai members developed a few demo applications for the Leap Motion Controller: you can check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b67QedK9jhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b67QedK9jhA
- onedev 13y agoI wonder what cool things can be done with a Raspberry Pi and one of these motion controllers! Both are very small in size.
- gvb 13y agoHopefully lots someday. Nothing today. :-( The Leap Motion Controller works with computers running Mac OS X 10.7 or 10.8, or Windows 7 or 8. It requires a minimum Intel Core™ i3 or AMD Phenom™ II processor, 2 GB RAM and a USB 2.0 port.
- danellis 13y agoI have Mac OS X 10.6.8, and I wasn't planning on updating in a hurry. I guess I'll be sending my Leap Motion back (I have up to 60 days in which to do so). When I ordered it, back in September 2012, there was no indication that it wouldn't be compatible with my OS. I wonder what there is in 10.7 that they require.
- gvb 13y agoUpdate: If you go to the SDK, they do have linux support (version 0.8.0.5300) as a Debian package. From the release notes, it supports: Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS and Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail I was able to install and run it on my Ubuntu 12.04 system. It had a dependency issue because I had previously upgraded to lts-quantal - the install did not recognize the OpenGL package because it was (from memory) "libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-quantal" instead of the expected "libgl1-mesa-glx", but I did a --force-depends and it installed and ran fine.
- nitrogen 13y agoThe RPi has a terrible USB system. Hopefully its successor fixes this problem. In the mean time, there are lots of other ARM boards available.
- HNLogInShit 13y agoJust saying that without elaborating isn't very useful. Or credible.
- umsm 13y agoOff topic: But I really like their site design.
- sbuccini 13y agoI'm not surprised that many of the launch apps are wonky. I developed something using a Leap for a hackathon, and the Leap is so accurate that significant time has to be invested to debugging and just playing around with the app to improve the user experience.
- ggoodale 13y agoThe accuracy is definitely a mixed blessing - interpolation, velocity awareness, and (screen-independent) gestures go a long way toward a good user experience.
- sbuccini 13y agoTotally agree, but I just didn't realize how difficult it was to really master those gestures and harness their power.
- ahsanhilal 13y agoI have actually developed on the Leap Motion device and here are my few critiques: 1. There are way too many gestures and motions available. The SDK needs to provide a solid framework for fewer gestures/motions and the company needs to make sure that consumers readily understand them. Unless there is a whole lot of standardization of the platform it will become hard for developers/other companies to produce a consistent and coherent experience. 2. I do not like the strategy of lets-throw-it-in-the-wild-and-see-what-other-people-come-up-with; the tech has loads of cool factor that you will get people to make interesting stuff with it. However, will that translate into useable and effective computing software? From my point of view, I have not really seen a single application on Leap which does something 'better' than a touch based or mouse-based interface can do. Better meaning more intuitively and/or more productively 3. I think one of the biggest challenges for any gesture controlled device is the shoulder/forearm/wrist/palm pain that is inherently going to be the result of prolonged gesture-driven interface use. Maybe applications have to use gestures sparingly? On a broader note, I still think humans have an inherent desire to touch/feel interface elements. Being able to directly touch a screen and manipulate it means I can easily manipulate visual behavior through an actual/physical connection. Interfaces which disconnect this physical medium seem more alien to me at least. Maybe I am less evolved as a neanderthal but I don't think we are ready for a gesture driven interface.
- mtrimpe 13y agoI'm mostly just surprised that it seems like they didn't include a trainable gesture recognition app. It should be pretty doable to hook it up to a neural network and train it to recognize some of your own gestures. I was already looking forward to training up a drumroll gesture for 'deploy to production.'
- msutherl 13y agoPrototype it in a couple of days with FTM[1] for Max[2]. Video[3]. [1] http://ftm.ircam.fr/index.php/Gesture_Follower http://ftm.ircam.fr/index.php/Gesture_Follower [2] http://cycling74.com/products/max/ http://cycling74.com/products/max/ [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dSU8MeJlz4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dSU8MeJlz4
- GoNB 13y agoCan the Leap Motion be used in addition to the MYO Armband, or would that not make sense?
- farnsworth 13y agoMy thoughts exactly! I've preordered my MYO :) Let's throw a Kinect in for body-scale gestures.
- samweinberg 13y agoDon't forget WiSee!
- abecedarius 13y agoI'd be excited to try this if it weren't (as far as I can tell) another use-the-app-store-or-nothing setup. https://www.leapmotion.com/developers https://www.leapmotion.com/developers points to a signup page with a lengthy contract.
- jamesbritt 13y agoThey told me I'm free to distibute apps outside their store. They are some things in the sdk that are not redistibutable but I am fairly certain core libs required to run a program are allowed.
- abecedarius 13y agoThank you! I'll take another look now.
- tlrobinson 13y agoLooking forward to combining Leap with the Oculus Rift!
- nsxwolf 13y agoI tried to think of an application for that combo and all I could come up with is this: You sit down at a virtual PC, and control it by waving your hands over a virtual Leap Motion. Which is very meta, but perhaps not very interesting.
- BoppreH 13y agoAmazing. I wonder if it's possible to read movements away from the screen? One big drawback of touch/motion is that it covers the screen, but what if we put the detection device lower? The feedback is tight as long as you can continuously see your input, and motioning lower could help with tiredness.
- ggoodale 13y agoThe device can be positioned anywhere you like, but I'm guessing there's a definite learning period if you have it somewhere other than under your monitor (sort of like what I imagine Wacom users have the first time the use a screen-mapped tablet).
- unfletch 13y agoTheir marketing worked on me. I pre-ordered one. Like many, I suspect, I ordered mine because it looked like a cool toy, not because I thought it filled a need. I've only played with it for an hour or so in total, but so far I'm returning it. Maybe it's a training issue (on my part; the device doesn't learn, as far as I can tell), but it just doesn't work very well for me. The demo apps suggest a severe lack of precision when I'm using it, and complain that the room is too bright. Coincidentally, it's a stormy, overcast day, and my office lamp burned out this morning. This is as dark as it'll ever be in here during the day. I'll definitely give it some more time (you have 30 days from when it ships to return it), but I'm not that interested in learning how to move my hands in a Leap-specific way, or in permanently darkening my office.
- vanderZwan 13y ago> The demo apps [...] complain that the room is too bright. Coincidentally, it's a stormy, overcast day, and my office lamp burned out this morning. This is as dark as it'll ever be in here during the day. Could it be that it's aimed too much towards the screen? I mean, that's the most obvious remaining light source.
- unfletch 13y agoCould be, it is in front of the monitor, but it's flat on my desk in more or less the same place shown in most of their demo videos.
- nitrogen 13y agoI wonder if your monitor's backlight puts out an inordinate amount of infrared light. I've noticed interference with IR remote control reception when one of my LCD monitor's backlights is turned down close to minimum brightness; I'm assuming that the PWM dimmer frequency (or one of its harmonics) is making it through the filter used by the IR receiver.
- asafira 13y agoI actually fall into a similar category. I fell for their advertising, too (a man can dream...), but it's definitely clear to me that this really is a toy and not really practical for much. Definitely not practical for most (all?) of their apps they currently have available for free. It's still fun to use, but there is no way this will find itself in any productive person's everyday workflow in its current state. We'll see how the Myo turns out... On the bright side (no pun intended), I actually didn't have any lighting issues though, regardless of how dim the room was. Maybe you just have a defective unit? Giving them a call might be worth a shot...
- lightyrs 13y agoJust tried mine out and am pretty disappointed. Mouse and keyboard seem pretty revolutionary after 15 minutes with the Leap.
- nooneelse 13y agoCould a Leap be mounted on the side of a laptop looking sideways at whatever table surface happens to be there (if there is one), so as to functionally give the laptop a big touchpad off to the side?
- Orva 13y agoLeap doesn't work (or at didn't work during beta) well or at all if you had solid object blocking it's viewport. Even if blocking object was behind your hand.
- tinkupandey 13y agocan anyone share when you ordered and when you were delivered?
- kvi 13y agoI'm was looking at the order form on their website, and then saw the URL: https://store.leapmotion.com/(S(k0erjjqyuqwxmojbybjv6vpx))/Pages/LeapSolution.aspx https://store.leapmotion.com/(S(k0erjjqyuqwxmojbybjv6vpx))/P... Is that a hash? It looks weird, and I have never seen anything like this before.
- b1daly 13y agoUsed as a pointing device it will have the same problem as other mouse alternatives (and mice). The only way to get feedback is through rigid starting at the screen to keep track of the cursor. This breaks the relationship between physical action and computer action in the body. My theory theory is that this adds stress into the nervous system and adds to the muscular fatigue. If an interface is poorly tuned you can just feel the anxiety rising if you are trying to get work done.
- kwindla 13y agoDepends on what you mean by "feedback". The Leap Motion controller tracks fingertips and objects absolutely in real space. Applications can easily tie cursor movement (or viewspace/camera movement, or other interface elements) to absolute hand position or to spatial offset from an arbitrary position in three-space. This actually works really, really nicely for applications designed from the ground up to think this way. Here, for example, is demo video of a three-space navigation app built on these principles that uses the Kinect: http://vimeo.com/65937620 http://vimeo.com/65937620 And a simpler demo using the Leap: http://vimeo.com/66196803 http://vimeo.com/66196803 There's no muscle fatigue or stress using these kinds of applications. You get muscle fatigue (gorilla arm, forearm pain, hand pain) when your ergonomic setup -- which includes both hardware and software -- forces your body to conform to motion patterns that are rigidly repetitive, forces you to position yourself in ways that are awkward relative to your joint kinematics, or forces you to over-correct inaccuracy or unpredictability in the interface.
- AmVess 13y agoThis thing is horrible for porn. My web browser keeps scrolling up and down very rapidly.
- GoldfishCRM 13y agoThis is only the beginning. We would have reacted the same way to the mouse. Keyboard shurtcuts is better, Mousearm problems etc.
- HNLogInShit 13y agoStill waiting for developer E-mail 1 about this. No updates. No device. No communication whatsoever. Good work!
- mikro2nd 13y agoLooked at the page they linked... still have no idea what it is they're launching, having never heard of it before. Might be a good idea not to assume that people know what your product is when you write such a release page...