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It isn't, really. It's typical Bob Ross stuff that doesn't have any market outside of art fairs and repos for hotel chains.

by rdouble 13y ago

sk5t 13y ago
I'll wager that neither of us understands the market for impressionism.
- rdouble 13y ago
  That's true. I certainly don't understand who it is that is buying these paintings.
moocowduckquack 13y ago
"typical Bob Ross stuff that doesn't have any market outside of art fairs" Well, you would seem on the face of it to be completely and utterly wrong on that score, at least according to the people buying his paintings. Out of interest, do you paint much?
- rdouble 13y ago
  I'm not really wrong on that score, just look at some of the paintings in the article, and check out his website. Many of the examples given aren't even very good, especially the "winter landscape" image 7/8 in the article. I don't want to sound like I'm slagging some little kid, because it's great for a child of his age, but if he was even slightly older, say 11 or 12, he wouldn't be selling anything. There are loads of young painters this good in China, for example, and they aren't selling for 5 digits. The interesting part of story is that the kid is actually selling the paintings for such amounts. If he was just painting them but not selling them, I'm not sure this would even make the news.
  - moocowduckquack 13y ago
    "I'm not really wrong on that score" Well, you are though. You said that his work has no market outside of art fairs, and that is patently untrue as he is selling them for a lot of money and not through art fairs. You also claimed that it is easy to tell a painting's quality from low resolution photographs and that these paintings are "typical Bob Ross stuff" when they are in a very different style from Bob Ross. Basically, as far as I can tell, you either want an argument out of this, or are merely pissed off that some kid has got rich from paintings you don't personally appreciate after only seeing photos of them on the net.
    - rdouble 13y ago
      I didn't mean this kid's paintings don't have a market outside of art fairs, I meant that is where this sort of impressionist painting is usually found when produced by someone else.
    - snogglethorpe 13y ago
      Yeah, one of the very amazing things about going to an art museum is that paintings are often incredibly different in "real life" than they are in reproductions (pictures on the net, postcards, posters, etc, even high-quality art books). It's not just the colors, which are very often completely mutilated by reproductions—and sometimes that's inevitable as many paints react to light in a way that's simply not possible to reproduce using simple colors and standard inks, from differences in gloss, to metallic pigments, to paints with embedded "stuff", to paints that are oddly "intense" (due to fluorescence?)—but also the textures of paintings, which can range from dead flat to subtle but noticeable strokes, to painting where the paint is literally 10+cm thick, and sculpted, often with fabric and other materials incorporated. Seeing a painting on wikipedia is not really seeing it. This isn't mere pedantry either—in many cases it's an utterly different experience.
      - jrs99 13y ago
        I don't think it takes a trip to the gallery to conclude that the paintings aren't all that great. After all, the paintings themselves are based on photographs: http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2010/08/kieron_williamson_8-year-old_p.html http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2010/08/kieron_willi...
- jacalata 13y ago
  You seem to be missing the point. He is saying that the paintings have little intrinsic worth, but gain it from the external circumstance of being created by such a young artist. Your response that people buy the paintings therefore they have value is completely orthogonal, because that doesn't prove either way whether the value is intrinsic or extrinsic (and art is a market know for extrinsic value, such as a painting going up in price once the formerly unknown artist is discovered, etc).
  - moocowduckquack 13y ago
    The comment "typical Bob Ross stuff that doesn't have any market outside of art fairs" is directly talking about perceptions of market worth, not intrinsic value. Well done for using the word orthogonal though. I like that word. It isn't as good as susurrous however.
foobarbazqux 13y ago
The following video completely redeems Bob Ross: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA

It isn't, really. It's typical Bob Ross stuff that doesn't have any market outside of art fairs and repos for hotel chains.

by rdouble 13y ago

It isn't, really. It's typical Bob Ross stuff that doesn't have any market outside of art fairs and repos for hotel chains.

sk5t 13y ago

I'll wager that neither of us understands the market for impressionism.

rdouble 13y ago
That's true. I certainly don't understand who it is that is buying these paintings.

moocowduckquack 13y ago

"typical Bob Ross stuff that doesn't have any market outside of art fairs" Well, you would seem on the face of it to be completely and utterly wrong on that score, at least according to the people buying his paintings. Out of interest, do you paint much?

rdouble 13y ago
I'm not really wrong on that score, just look at some of the paintings in the article, and check out his website. Many of the examples given aren't even very good, especially the "winter landscape" image 7/8 in the article. I don't want to sound like I'm slagging some little kid, because it's great for a child of his age, but if he was even slightly older, say 11 or 12, he wouldn't be selling anything. There are loads of young painters this good in China, for example, and they aren't selling for 5 digits. The interesting part of story is that the kid is actually selling the paintings for such amounts. If he was just painting them but not selling them, I'm not sure this would even make the news.
- moocowduckquack 13y ago
  "I'm not really wrong on that score" Well, you are though. You said that his work has no market outside of art fairs, and that is patently untrue as he is selling them for a lot of money and not through art fairs. You also claimed that it is easy to tell a painting's quality from low resolution photographs and that these paintings are "typical Bob Ross stuff" when they are in a very different style from Bob Ross. Basically, as far as I can tell, you either want an argument out of this, or are merely pissed off that some kid has got rich from paintings you don't personally appreciate after only seeing photos of them on the net.
  - rdouble 13y ago
    I didn't mean this kid's paintings don't have a market outside of art fairs, I meant that is where this sort of impressionist painting is usually found when produced by someone else.
  - snogglethorpe 13y ago
    Yeah, one of the very amazing things about going to an art museum is that paintings are often incredibly different in "real life" than they are in reproductions (pictures on the net, postcards, posters, etc, even high-quality art books). It's not just the colors, which are very often completely mutilated by reproductions—and sometimes that's inevitable as many paints react to light in a way that's simply not possible to reproduce using simple colors and standard inks, from differences in gloss, to metallic pigments, to paints with embedded "stuff", to paints that are oddly "intense" (due to fluorescence?)—but also the textures of paintings, which can range from dead flat to subtle but noticeable strokes, to painting where the paint is literally 10+cm thick, and sculpted, often with fabric and other materials incorporated. Seeing a painting on wikipedia is not really seeing it. This isn't mere pedantry either—in many cases it's an utterly different experience.
    - jrs99 13y ago
      I don't think it takes a trip to the gallery to conclude that the paintings aren't all that great. After all, the paintings themselves are based on photographs: http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2010/08/kieron_williamson_8-year-old_p.html http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2010/08/kieron_willi...
jacalata 13y ago
You seem to be missing the point. He is saying that the paintings have little intrinsic worth, but gain it from the external circumstance of being created by such a young artist. Your response that people buy the paintings therefore they have value is completely orthogonal, because that doesn't prove either way whether the value is intrinsic or extrinsic (and art is a market know for extrinsic value, such as a painting going up in price once the formerly unknown artist is discovered, etc).
- moocowduckquack 13y ago
  The comment "typical Bob Ross stuff that doesn't have any market outside of art fairs" is directly talking about perceptions of market worth, not intrinsic value. Well done for using the word orthogonal though. I like that word. It isn't as good as susurrous however.

foobarbazqux 13y ago

The following video completely redeems Bob Ross: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA