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Nurse practitioners are used in many countries with great results. Why is using them illegal ? of course it's because of regulatory capture and the general powe
by ippisl 13y ago
Nurse practitioners are used in many countries with great results. Why is using them illegal ? of course it's because of regulatory capture and the general power doctors hold, which is probably the biggest reason why healthcare is so expensive(and also not very good).
You see it in million places: The limited number of medical schools, The lack of nurse practitioners doing the simple routine jobs in most specialties(dental, family, colonoscopy, anesthsia. Many others could exist), The lack of automation and expert systems[4] and automated patient interview[3] tools, the fact that family practitioners could replace a lot of the specialists work at lower costs[1], Many medical jobs could be done with a lot less training[2], the lack of use of proven processes like checklists[5], etc.
All those changes could save a lot of money, and raise quality. We know what to do, But how do we implement it ?
[1]http://www.rwjf.org/en/grants/grantees/project-echo.html http://www.rwjf.org/en/grants/grantees/project-echo.html
[2]Because there's a brain drain in africa to the west, some countries have started a 3 year surgeon degree program. Doctors who finished this degree seem to have equivalent results to fully trained doctors in simple/medium complexity surgeries.
[3]Research showed doctors only ask about half of the questions needed in a typical visit. Automated interview systems could at least gather more complete data.
[4]There's research review showing that correct implementation of decision support/expert systems could improve results.
[5]Peter provonost showed that checklists could reduce infection rates in one procedure from 8/12 percent to zero.This was around 10 years ago. I think gawande showed similar results in other stuff. checklists are still not commonly used.
- bencollier49 13y agoNumber 3, absolutely. That's true in the UK too. In fact, if AI consulted the patient, it would catch a lot of things which doctors miss, simply by asking enough pertinent questions. When I have challenged doctors about this, they tend to say "Ah, but you're focused on data, we focus on diagnosing the patient", which is basically gibberish.
- Noxchi 13y agohttp://en.akinator.com/ http://en.akinator.com/ That web app can name any person you think of by asking 20 or so questions. Just imagine what you could do if you made that but for diseases.
- bencollier49 13y agoLet's do it. I had this idea that each medical field could have a sort of Global Subject Expert AI online to make diagnoses, and the more people using it, the more sublime it would become in its assessments.
- ippisl 13y agoIf you're interested in building something, I think an automated medical interview app, for use by consumers, focused on some subset seems more practical.
- NoodleIncident 13y agoThat's exactly what Watson is doing these days, right?
- ippisl 13y agoSimilar things have been done before, for example Isabele health care, and other medical decision support systems.
- Wingman4l7 13y agoThe lack of adoption of checklists has bugged me for a long time now. I actually haven't heard of them in regards to infection rates, but rather surgery mishaps (I think that was Gawande). It's really disappointing that something so simple, with such clearly positive results, has yet to become mainstream practice. We make our commercial pilots use them; I wish we would mandate that our surgeons used them, too.