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I simply do not understand why Nissan Motorcompany dont just offer the guy a good pile of money. He has all the rights to use the domain, as its his name, and s

by kayoone 13y ago

I simply do not understand why Nissan Motorcompany dont just offer the guy a good pile of money. He has all the rights to use the domain, as its his name, and simply bought it first. That or spend millions and a decade on lawsuits that lead nowhere...

davidiach 13y ago
It's possible that they have tried that at first.
- kayoone 13y ago
  If they did, it obviously wasnt enough ;)
  - notahacker 13y ago
    I'm willing to believe a small fraction of the amount they subsequently spent on legal fees would, if offered at the beginning instead of threats, have been more than enough....
brazzy 13y ago
> He has all the rights to use the domain, as its his name, and simply bought it first. Neither of those would be sufficient. The decisive factor is that he's actually operating a legitimate business under that name.
- StavrosK 13y ago
  How is that a factor? That means that anyone can take my domain by registering a company with the same name and suing me for it.
  - jpatokal 13y ago
    No, they need to pass the three-step test: * The domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which the complainant has rights; * The registrant does not have any rights or legitimate interests in the domain name; and * The registrant registered the domain name and is using it in "bad faith". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Domain-Name_Dispute-Resolution_Policy#Process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Domain-Name_Dispute-Res...
    - StavrosK 13y ago
      Ah, right, so the decisive factor of the GP is not whether the guy is running a legitimate business, it's whether the guy is using the domain to mislead people into thinking he's Nissan cars. So, for example, a personal site with a few family photos of someone called Nissan, or whose nickname is Nissan, or who just liked the word, would not be infringing, so they couldn't take it away, correct?
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      - ytjohn 13y ago
        Correct. They couldn't take it away, but (like Nissan Motors tried) they could make it financially difficult for you to keep it. Now, if Mr. Nissan started doing something like setting up a car forum and reviews on his site, he would get into very dangerous territory. Right now (at least for me) nissan.com has an advertisement for an insurance agency that sells car insurance. I would say that is about as close as Mr. Nissan can come to blurring the line to car.
      - brazzy 13y ago
        > So, for example, a personal site with a few family photos of someone called Nissan, or whose nickname is Nissan, or who just liked the word, would not be infringing, so they couldn't take it away, correct? They could if they could convince the UDRP panel that the "personal site with a few family photos" is just a sham and the the domain holder's true intention is to extort as much money as possible from Nissan.

by kayoone 13y ago

davidiach 13y ago

It's possible that they have tried that at first.

kayoone 13y ago
If they did, it obviously wasnt enough ;)
- notahacker 13y ago
  I'm willing to believe a small fraction of the amount they subsequently spent on legal fees would, if offered at the beginning instead of threats, have been more than enough....

brazzy 13y ago

> He has all the rights to use the domain, as its his name, and simply bought it first. Neither of those would be sufficient. The decisive factor is that he's actually operating a legitimate business under that name.

StavrosK 13y ago
How is that a factor? That means that anyone can take my domain by registering a company with the same name and suing me for it.
- jpatokal 13y ago
  No, they need to pass the three-step test: * The domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which the complainant has rights; * The registrant does not have any rights or legitimate interests in the domain name; and * The registrant registered the domain name and is using it in "bad faith". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Domain-Name_Dispute-Resolution_Policy#Process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Domain-Name_Dispute-Res...
  - StavrosK 13y ago
    Ah, right, so the decisive factor of the GP is not whether the guy is running a legitimate business, it's whether the guy is using the domain to mislead people into thinking he's Nissan cars. So, for example, a personal site with a few family photos of someone called Nissan, or whose nickname is Nissan, or who just liked the word, would not be infringing, so they couldn't take it away, correct?
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    - ytjohn 13y ago
      Correct. They couldn't take it away, but (like Nissan Motors tried) they could make it financially difficult for you to keep it. Now, if Mr. Nissan started doing something like setting up a car forum and reviews on his site, he would get into very dangerous territory. Right now (at least for me) nissan.com has an advertisement for an insurance agency that sells car insurance. I would say that is about as close as Mr. Nissan can come to blurring the line to car.
    - brazzy 13y ago
      > So, for example, a personal site with a few family photos of someone called Nissan, or whose nickname is Nissan, or who just liked the word, would not be infringing, so they couldn't take it away, correct? They could if they could convince the UDRP panel that the "personal site with a few family photos" is just a sham and the the domain holder's true intention is to extort as much money as possible from Nissan.