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What does "owing" have to do with anything? Microsoft doesn't "owe" you a start bar. If your mother complained about it missing in the initial Windows 8 relea

by jlgreco 13y ago

What does "owing" have to do with anything? Microsoft doesn't "owe" you a start bar. If your mother complained about it missing in the initial Windows 8 release would you tell her "So what? nobody owes you a start bar."? Would you tell people in the 80s "So what? nobody owes you classic Coca-Cola."?

anigbrowl 13y ago
If your mother complained about it missing in the initial Windows 8 release would you tell her "So what? nobody owes you a start bar."? Yes...as a matter of fact that's one reason I have not bothered to upgrade from Windows 7. Would you tell people in the 80s "So what? nobody owes you classic Coca-Cola."? I'm petty sure I did tell people that. I'm a big believer in voting with your wallet. Of course, your examples involve things that people pay for, whereas setting up a Tumblr page is free (thus giving you even less of a claim on Yahoo's actions.)
- jlgreco 13y ago
  So you would have people vote with their wallets, just so long as they don't also complain while doing it? I don't think you would really tell your mother that. Maybe you would tell your mother to stick with Windows 7 after trying out Windows 8 in the store, but I do not believe for one second that you would say anything to the effect of "Microsoft doesn't owe you that" in response to her reacting to the change. Vote with your wallets and complain. Why the hell not? > "Of course, your examples involve things that people pay for" Admittedly yes, in the Windows 8 case (outside of trying it out in the store). Not so in the New Coke case. Nobody bought a lifetime subscription of Coke. People were upset because they could no longer buy the old Coke, not because they were duped into buying New Coke (well, not for more than a few cents anyway). Nobody was owed the ability to buy classic Coke. Complain they did though, and can you really fault them for that? Really?
  - anigbrowl 13y ago
    I do not believe for one second that you would say anything to the effect of "Microsoft doesn't owe you that" in response to her reacting to the change Why not? My mother's no idiot; she may not understand the intricacies of her computer works but she doesn't expect Microsoft to automatically accommodate her tastes any more than she expects Volvo to keep making her favorite model from the 80s. If anything she helped instill this attitude in me when I expressed disappointment about my favorite kids TV shows going away. As a consumer I don't expect producers to be sentimental about their offerings; if I think some particular change is foolish then I argue that on economic grounds (but if it turns out to be the profitable thing to do, then I have to accept I was wrong). I mean, there are certainly choices I'd like corporations to make - I'm into synthesizers, for example, and I really wish that Roland corporation would start issuing TB-303s again, especially now that their competitors have chosen to resissue some of their classic designs at affordable prices. But after analyzing the numbers and potential profit margins, I'm 99% certain that it's Not Going To Happen no matter how much I and my fellow synth geeks beg for it. It's not worth the risk involved, and they don't owe me such a product. (On the other hand, it would make good economic sesnse for them to reissue certain classic drum machines...) Not so in the New Coke case. Nobody bought a lifetime subscription of Coke. They bought bottles and cans of Coke, and when they discovered that they didn't like the taste of New Coke I presume the they stopped purchasing it. I guarantee that Coke executives paid a great deal more to consumers' behavior than whatever it was they said.
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      When someone voices a complaint, they are not inherently making an implicit statement about being owed something. I doubt you would speak to your mother that way because, frankly, it is an rather anti-social reply. She's not dumb, she knows she is owed nothing. In the hypothetical complaint she was not claiming to be owed anything. Your quip is clearing nothing up.
      - anigbrowl 13y ago
        I disagree. Complaining about some deficiency on a free blogging platform sounds exactly like a misplaced expression of entitlement to me. Maybe it is anti-social, but I don't feel bad about that. I have yet to receive a coherent answer to my original 'so what' question, about why Tumblr should enable NSFW content indexing on Google if they (Tumblr) feel that it's hurting their brand to do so.
- furyofantares 13y ago
  I like to hear about it when my users dislike a change, even if I don't owe them anything. I also believe that I actually do owe users something when they invest time into my product.
- IsThisObvious 13y ago
  I pay for Tumblr by providing information they use for various purposes. Information has value, and is being exchanged for a service.
- gizmo686 13y ago
  >I'm a big believer in voting with your wallet. How is this suppose to work. Voting with your wallet is a very course signal, saying no more than that you do not like some recent change. If you complain, then the company knows what it is that you do not like, and can make a better informed decision if they should continue to do it. This complaint can be backed up by voting with your wallet, but you need both.
alanh 13y ago
(Your profile lists no contact info, so saying this here instead of in DM:) I love this comment and, by extension, I love you, JLGreco.

by jlgreco 13y ago

anigbrowl 13y ago

If your mother complained about it missing in the initial Windows 8 release would you tell her "So what? nobody owes you a start bar."? Yes...as a matter of fact that's one reason I have not bothered to upgrade from Windows 7. Would you tell people in the 80s "So what? nobody owes you classic Coca-Cola."? I'm petty sure I did tell people that. I'm a big believer in voting with your wallet. Of course, your examples involve things that people pay for, whereas setting up a Tumblr page is free (thus giving you even less of a claim on Yahoo's actions.)

jlgreco 13y ago
So you would have people vote with their wallets, just so long as they don't also complain while doing it? I don't think you would really tell your mother that. Maybe you would tell your mother to stick with Windows 7 after trying out Windows 8 in the store, but I do not believe for one second that you would say anything to the effect of "Microsoft doesn't owe you that" in response to her reacting to the change. Vote with your wallets and complain. Why the hell not? > "Of course, your examples involve things that people pay for" Admittedly yes, in the Windows 8 case (outside of trying it out in the store). Not so in the New Coke case. Nobody bought a lifetime subscription of Coke. People were upset because they could no longer buy the old Coke, not because they were duped into buying New Coke (well, not for more than a few cents anyway). Nobody was owed the ability to buy classic Coke. Complain they did though, and can you really fault them for that? Really?
- anigbrowl 13y ago
  I do not believe for one second that you would say anything to the effect of "Microsoft doesn't owe you that" in response to her reacting to the change Why not? My mother's no idiot; she may not understand the intricacies of her computer works but she doesn't expect Microsoft to automatically accommodate her tastes any more than she expects Volvo to keep making her favorite model from the 80s. If anything she helped instill this attitude in me when I expressed disappointment about my favorite kids TV shows going away. As a consumer I don't expect producers to be sentimental about their offerings; if I think some particular change is foolish then I argue that on economic grounds (but if it turns out to be the profitable thing to do, then I have to accept I was wrong). I mean, there are certainly choices I'd like corporations to make - I'm into synthesizers, for example, and I really wish that Roland corporation would start issuing TB-303s again, especially now that their competitors have chosen to resissue some of their classic designs at affordable prices. But after analyzing the numbers and potential profit margins, I'm 99% certain that it's Not Going To Happen no matter how much I and my fellow synth geeks beg for it. It's not worth the risk involved, and they don't owe me such a product. (On the other hand, it would make good economic sesnse for them to reissue certain classic drum machines...) Not so in the New Coke case. Nobody bought a lifetime subscription of Coke. They bought bottles and cans of Coke, and when they discovered that they didn't like the taste of New Coke I presume the they stopped purchasing it. I guarantee that Coke executives paid a great deal more to consumers' behavior than whatever it was they said.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    When someone voices a complaint, they are not inherently making an implicit statement about being owed something. I doubt you would speak to your mother that way because, frankly, it is an rather anti-social reply. She's not dumb, she knows she is owed nothing. In the hypothetical complaint she was not claiming to be owed anything. Your quip is clearing nothing up.
    - anigbrowl 13y ago
      I disagree. Complaining about some deficiency on a free blogging platform sounds exactly like a misplaced expression of entitlement to me. Maybe it is anti-social, but I don't feel bad about that. I have yet to receive a coherent answer to my original 'so what' question, about why Tumblr should enable NSFW content indexing on Google if they (Tumblr) feel that it's hurting their brand to do so.
furyofantares 13y ago
I like to hear about it when my users dislike a change, even if I don't owe them anything. I also believe that I actually do owe users something when they invest time into my product.
IsThisObvious 13y ago
I pay for Tumblr by providing information they use for various purposes. Information has value, and is being exchanged for a service.
gizmo686 13y ago
>I'm a big believer in voting with your wallet. How is this suppose to work. Voting with your wallet is a very course signal, saying no more than that you do not like some recent change. If you complain, then the company knows what it is that you do not like, and can make a better informed decision if they should continue to do it. This complaint can be backed up by voting with your wallet, but you need both.

alanh 13y ago

(Your profile lists no contact info, so saying this here instead of in DM:) I love this comment and, by extension, I love you, JLGreco.