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Oh we've realized it. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything about it. If we did try to do anything we would just end up getting arrested for being a

by jtokoph 13y ago

Oh we've realized it. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything about it. If we did try to do anything we would just end up getting arrested for being a terrorist.

future_grad 13y ago
What can we do?
- sampo 13y ago
  In a continental Europe-style multiparty system, it would probably be possible for some 5% or 10% minority party to position against the current government and rise to above 30% in about a decade, thus rising to power. For example Fidesz in Hungary grew from 7% in 1994 to 53% in 2010 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidesz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidesz ). In the more stable US two-party system, you may need to resort to somewhat older methods, which are still widely used around the world even in present days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_U.S._involvement_in_the_Vietnam_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_U.S._involve... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution_of_1989 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution_of_1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Turkey
cmsimike 13y ago
I think we, the more informed individuals, have realized it. IMO there is a large chunk of the American population that either doesn't care, doesn't know or actually thinks this is in their best interest. A few voices on the internet don't have any leverage vs a whole silence country.
- nathas 13y ago
  The age demographic on HN is also deeply skewed. I'm hoping that once the 25ish-year-olds run for Congress we'll see a shift. It's all I can do right now, other than write my Congressman.
  - cmsimike 13y ago
    I agree with this. I don't expect there to be much change in the US for another 30 years, unfortunately. Hopefully by then the technology to transplant my brain into a newer, fresher body is available. That way I can enjoy a truly free America, hopefully one that focuses on science and engineering rather than whatever the hell the focus of it is now. War? World domination?
  - mindcrime 13y ago
    I'm hoping that once the 25ish-year-olds run for Congress we'll see a shift. Don't hold your breath. I don't think it's an age thing. I felt like you do when I was in high-school, and/or in college... now "my generation" is well into the range where people my are are serving in Congress and other government positions, and it's still business as usual. There just seem to be certain types of people, regardless of age, who are drawn to becoming part of the State and who are good at getting elected. And every generation churns out its measure of assholes.

by jtokoph 13y ago

Oh we've realized it. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything about it. If we did try to do anything we would just end up getting arrested for being a terrorist.

future_grad 13y ago

What can we do?

sampo 13y ago
In a continental Europe-style multiparty system, it would probably be possible for some 5% or 10% minority party to position against the current government and rise to above 30% in about a decade, thus rising to power. For example Fidesz in Hungary grew from 7% in 1994 to 53% in 2010 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidesz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidesz ). In the more stable US two-party system, you may need to resort to somewhat older methods, which are still widely used around the world even in present days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_U.S._involvement_in_the_Vietnam_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_U.S._involve... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution_of_1989 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution_of_1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Turkey

cmsimike 13y ago

I think we, the more informed individuals, have realized it. IMO there is a large chunk of the American population that either doesn't care, doesn't know or actually thinks this is in their best interest. A few voices on the internet don't have any leverage vs a whole silence country.

nathas 13y ago
The age demographic on HN is also deeply skewed. I'm hoping that once the 25ish-year-olds run for Congress we'll see a shift. It's all I can do right now, other than write my Congressman.
- cmsimike 13y ago
  I agree with this. I don't expect there to be much change in the US for another 30 years, unfortunately. Hopefully by then the technology to transplant my brain into a newer, fresher body is available. That way I can enjoy a truly free America, hopefully one that focuses on science and engineering rather than whatever the hell the focus of it is now. War? World domination?
- mindcrime 13y ago
  I'm hoping that once the 25ish-year-olds run for Congress we'll see a shift. Don't hold your breath. I don't think it's an age thing. I felt like you do when I was in high-school, and/or in college... now "my generation" is well into the range where people my are are serving in Congress and other government positions, and it's still business as usual. There just seem to be certain types of people, regardless of age, who are drawn to becoming part of the State and who are good at getting elected. And every generation churns out its measure of assholes.