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I believe they plan to, and that is what is being debated, they are just using Alan Turing as the most famous example of an deceased person that should be pardo

I believe they plan to, and that is what is being debated, they are just using Alan Turing as the most famous example of an deceased person that should be pardoned.

corin_ 13y ago
Why not do it all in a single bill? They could still make him a figure head, even name the bill after him and include a specific point about pardoning him, but include everyone else too. If this ends up getting through all the stages and they then want to do the same for everyone else, at the very least it's a waste of time going through the stages again (if there's no more debate), or if there is still debate then even more time wasted. The only reason not to include it in this bill, if that is their long-term plan, is if they think it is more likely to pass with just one name, which seems odd to me.
- stickydink 13y ago
  That's exactly what they're doing. A bill that would pardon 75,000 men, including 16,000 who are still alive. It would be named the "Alan Turing Bill".
  - corin_ 13y ago
    It's not what they're doing yet, the current bill is specific to one person.
  - priteau 13y ago
    The 16,000 alive can apply for pardon, but it's most likely not automatic, I guess their case must be reviewed. The government didn't want to allow pardon to the dead because they said that in some cases they couldn't know that these homosexual acts were consensual and not under age. The Lord presenting the bill is advocating for rehabilitation of the dead if there is enough evidence available, and he hopes the Turing bill (which will pardon only Alan Turing) is a first step towards allowing pardon for the 59,000 convicted who are now dead.
jlgreco 13y ago
I believe this is the bill they are debating, it seems specific to Alan Turing: http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/alanturingstatutorypardon.html http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/alanturingstatut... (tangent: this is a pretty neat site, does anybody know if there is similar for US Congress?)
- Caerus 13y ago
  http://www.govtrack.us/ http://www.govtrack.us/ For example, the most recent immigration bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s744 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s744
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Very cool, thanks!
- baconner 13y ago
  There's also http://opencongress.org http://opencongress.org
mathattack 13y ago
Yes - sometimes it takes someone famous to make the issue public, and everyone else will benefit. It was an absolute travesty and shame for what they did to him, and we are all the worse for it.

I believe they plan to, and that is what is being debated, they are just using Alan Turing as the most famous example of an deceased person that should be pardoned.

corin_ 13y ago

Why not do it all in a single bill? They could still make him a figure head, even name the bill after him and include a specific point about pardoning him, but include everyone else too. If this ends up getting through all the stages and they then want to do the same for everyone else, at the very least it's a waste of time going through the stages again (if there's no more debate), or if there is still debate then even more time wasted. The only reason not to include it in this bill, if that is their long-term plan, is if they think it is more likely to pass with just one name, which seems odd to me.

stickydink 13y ago
That's exactly what they're doing. A bill that would pardon 75,000 men, including 16,000 who are still alive. It would be named the "Alan Turing Bill".
- corin_ 13y ago
  It's not what they're doing yet, the current bill is specific to one person.
- priteau 13y ago
  The 16,000 alive can apply for pardon, but it's most likely not automatic, I guess their case must be reviewed. The government didn't want to allow pardon to the dead because they said that in some cases they couldn't know that these homosexual acts were consensual and not under age. The Lord presenting the bill is advocating for rehabilitation of the dead if there is enough evidence available, and he hopes the Turing bill (which will pardon only Alan Turing) is a first step towards allowing pardon for the 59,000 convicted who are now dead.

jlgreco 13y ago

I believe this is the bill they are debating, it seems specific to Alan Turing: http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/alanturingstatutorypardon.html http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/alanturingstatut... (tangent: this is a pretty neat site, does anybody know if there is similar for US Congress?)

Caerus 13y ago
http://www.govtrack.us/ http://www.govtrack.us/ For example, the most recent immigration bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s744 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s744
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Very cool, thanks!
baconner 13y ago
There's also http://opencongress.org http://opencongress.org

mathattack 13y ago

Yes - sometimes it takes someone famous to make the issue public, and everyone else will benefit. It was an absolute travesty and shame for what they did to him, and we are all the worse for it.