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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16919012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16919012 The explanation given was that the law was wrong, not that he hadn'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16919012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16919012 The explanation given was that the law was wrong, not that he hadn't broken it so as to have a pardon, and you can't posthumously commute a sentence

ealexhudson 13y ago
I agree to some extent - it's not for the Lords to pardon Turing, but the other way around - but that's really a matter of semantics in a sense. Perhaps there ought to be an equivalent "pardon" set up called "beg forgiveness".
thejsjunky 13y ago
> not that he hadn't broken it so as to have a pardon Reasoning I find confusing. A pardon is by definition something given to people convicted of breaking the law. It can be and is sometimes used as a relief for people who have been -wrongly- convicted if there is no other mechanism (or just because it's easier), but that's not implied or required. Is this some difference between US and UK law?
- estel 13y ago
  The argument would be that he wasn't wrongly convicted. By modern standards it's obviously a stupid, unjust and immoral law that he was convicted under; but if he was correctly found guilty under the laws of the time, then it was a sound conviction.
  - thejsjunky 13y ago
    Pardons are a general tool to forgive (in several senses) a crime. If you look at the history of pardons in the US for example, you'll find examples ranging from people who were wrongly convicted, to people who got one as a reward for cooperating in investigations, to people who simply had powerful friends. Which is why I find that reasoning confusing - when you pardon someone, you just do it... and if you care to give a reason you can. Perhaps it's different in the UK? Is this some limitation on the powers of the House of Lords?
    - dyno12345 13y ago
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#United_Kingdom Pardons are extraordinarily rare in the UK and normally only granted for misapplication of the law
      - thejsjunky 13y ago
        The article seems to say the opposite: 'It is the standard policy of the Government to only grant pardons to those who are considered "morally" innocent of the offence, as opposed to those who may have been wrongly convicted by a misapplication of the law.' It also mentions that in 1996 there was a pardon given as a "reward for information".
        dyno12345 13y ago
        It seems to say both that it is and it isn't at different points

ealexhudson 13y ago

I agree to some extent - it's not for the Lords to pardon Turing, but the other way around - but that's really a matter of semantics in a sense. Perhaps there ought to be an equivalent "pardon" set up called "beg forgiveness".

thejsjunky 13y ago

> not that he hadn't broken it so as to have a pardon Reasoning I find confusing. A pardon is by definition something given to people convicted of breaking the law. It can be and is sometimes used as a relief for people who have been -wrongly- convicted if there is no other mechanism (or just because it's easier), but that's not implied or required. Is this some difference between US and UK law?

estel 13y ago
The argument would be that he wasn't wrongly convicted. By modern standards it's obviously a stupid, unjust and immoral law that he was convicted under; but if he was correctly found guilty under the laws of the time, then it was a sound conviction.
- thejsjunky 13y ago
  Pardons are a general tool to forgive (in several senses) a crime. If you look at the history of pardons in the US for example, you'll find examples ranging from people who were wrongly convicted, to people who got one as a reward for cooperating in investigations, to people who simply had powerful friends. Which is why I find that reasoning confusing - when you pardon someone, you just do it... and if you care to give a reason you can. Perhaps it's different in the UK? Is this some limitation on the powers of the House of Lords?
  - dyno12345 13y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#United_Kingdom Pardons are extraordinarily rare in the UK and normally only granted for misapplication of the law
    - thejsjunky 13y ago
      The article seems to say the opposite: 'It is the standard policy of the Government to only grant pardons to those who are considered "morally" innocent of the offence, as opposed to those who may have been wrongly convicted by a misapplication of the law.' It also mentions that in 1996 there was a pardon given as a "reward for information".
      - dyno12345 13y ago
        It seems to say both that it is and it isn't at different points