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Ok, now I don't want to make this a gender issue, but this article really can't decide, at one point they say: >I also got some really awful hate mail that tri

by 14113 13y ago

Ok, now I don't want to make this a gender issue, but this article really can't decide, at one point they say: >I also got some really awful hate mail that tried to drag my gender in. But I don’t think this is a gendered topic then a couple of responses later they say: > I think that my perspective is somewhat colored by both my gender and my age Which is it?

jpulec 13y ago
> So I think they picked up a little bit of the brogrammer culture and kind of said: “Yeah it’s OK to yell at each other because we’ll obviously just meet over beer and pound each other on the back and it will be all fine.” > Sometimes, that just doesn’t work for people who aren’t men. I also found this to be confusing....
Robin_Message 13y ago
N.B. I have no dog in this race, so what I say below is meant to be neutral to the issue. I don't think there is any contradiction in what she says. Gender, age, upbringing, education – all those things will influence someone's perspective on an issue. But the issue itself is not about gender. Plenty of men don't want communicate via a lot of "Shut the fuck up, this is shit", and obviously women can swear and put people down, so it is not a gender issue. It is a style of communication issue, and the argument is: Linus: I hate fake politeness and game-playing, so I'm just gonna let rip, especially on people who waste my time (implictly, to discourage that strongly). Sarah: You can be assertive without being rude, and politeness is important in a professional context. Her viewpoint might be different, and her gender might influence that, but that doesn't make it a gender issue.
lke 13y ago
Hum... How about her gender colors her perspective but is not the issue ? Gender affect a lot of your environment and your education so you can't escape it's influence. But in this case gender is not a significative parameter in one's perception of Linus and his strong-mouthness.
peterwwillis 13y ago
The fuck do you mean, which is it? Those are two different fucking things, dipshit. The fucking topic is whether communication on the KML should be a bunch of stupid assholes giving each other shit. The topic has nothing to do with fucking gender. She's just saying (as is obvious to anyone with a BRAIN) that who she is as a person influences her opinion on the topic. Get it now, dumbass? [this has been an example of how Linus would like us to talk on the KML]
ivraatiems 13y ago
Just because it's not a topic which is gender-related doesn't mean gender can't color your opinions of it.
stefantalpalaru 13y ago
I find it fascinating that "gender" completely replaced "sex" in American English.

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jpulec 13y ago

> So I think they picked up a little bit of the brogrammer culture and kind of said: “Yeah it’s OK to yell at each other because we’ll obviously just meet over beer and pound each other on the back and it will be all fine.” > Sometimes, that just doesn’t work for people who aren’t men. I also found this to be confusing....

Robin_Message 13y ago

N.B. I have no dog in this race, so what I say below is meant to be neutral to the issue. I don't think there is any contradiction in what she says. Gender, age, upbringing, education – all those things will influence someone's perspective on an issue. But the issue itself is not about gender. Plenty of men don't want communicate via a lot of "Shut the fuck up, this is shit", and obviously women can swear and put people down, so it is not a gender issue. It is a style of communication issue, and the argument is: Linus: I hate fake politeness and game-playing, so I'm just gonna let rip, especially on people who waste my time (implictly, to discourage that strongly). Sarah: You can be assertive without being rude, and politeness is important in a professional context. Her viewpoint might be different, and her gender might influence that, but that doesn't make it a gender issue.

lke 13y ago

Hum... How about her gender colors her perspective but is not the issue ? Gender affect a lot of your environment and your education so you can't escape it's influence. But in this case gender is not a significative parameter in one's perception of Linus and his strong-mouthness.

peterwwillis 13y ago

The fuck do you mean, which is it? Those are two different fucking things, dipshit. The fucking topic is whether communication on the KML should be a bunch of stupid assholes giving each other shit. The topic has nothing to do with fucking gender. She's just saying (as is obvious to anyone with a BRAIN) that who she is as a person influences her opinion on the topic. Get it now, dumbass? [this has been an example of how Linus would like us to talk on the KML]

ivraatiems 13y ago

Just because it's not a topic which is gender-related doesn't mean gender can't color your opinions of it.

stefantalpalaru 13y ago

I find it fascinating that "gender" completely replaced "sex" in American English.