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Why leave them alone? (I have my own reasons why they should or shouldn't be left alone. I am just curious to figure out why you are so insistent that they be

by eshvk 13y ago

Why leave them alone? (I have my own reasons why they should or shouldn't be left alone. I am just curious to figure out why you are so insistent that they be left alone.)

JonnieCache 13y ago
A. it is clearly what they want. B. contact with us is likely to be deadly to them.
- homeomorphic 13y ago
  > A. it is clearly what they want. We all encounter at times fellow humans who want something that clearly is based on lacking information. Of course we respect such things, but only up to a certain point. We often do try to help people see the bigger picture - sometimes we do say "I hear you say that that is what you want, but have you considered the fact that...". > B. contact with us is likely to be deadly to them. This can be remedied with technology. A crude solution would be to land in hazmat suits and have a chat. I don't know how we should deal with the bows and arrows though.
  - alan_cx 13y ago
    A. Yeah, except we never tell them the down side. We arrogantly assume our oh so clever technical ways are better. Sadly we are still not mature enough to decently make contact with such people.
    - Anderkent 13y ago
      You can't be serious. How many children are you willing to condemn to extremely premature death because of your noble savage illusion? Yes, our 'oh so clever technical ways' are not perfect. But they are so much better. Perhaps these people are just as happy as we are. Even so, their stillborn children are still dead. They almost certainly see more murder and rape. How can you condemn people to living like that, even if they want to because they don't know any better?
      - geuis 13y ago
        Don't you dare bring out the fucking "oh the children" argument. People die all the fucking time. Its what people do, we die. These people, if the suppositions are to be believed, have been able to survive and reproduce for tens of thousands of years. They don't need your pity or "help". If you sit back for an hour or so and re-read your comment 10-20 times, you'll realize what a Western missionary statement it is. Basically, your mindset seems to be similar to the "save the heathens" mindset of 18th - 19th century Europe in regards to the US and Australia, among other places. Surely we can't save them in body, but if we convert them before they die then they'll be saved in the light of the Lord. Hala loola or whatever. Yeah, I'm serious. Leave them alone.
        Anderkent 13y ago
        > People die all the fucking time. Its what people do, we die. Yes, and it's a problem! We should be doing everything we can so that people finally STOP DYING. And we should strive especially hard when it's children dying because their parents are too used to everyone dying to ASK FOR HELP. Now, in some cases it's difficult. We can't do it for everyone just yet. But in this case it's not. >These people, if the suppositions are to be believed, have been able to survive and reproduce for tens of thousands of years. Oh, that makes it all right then! Let's stop any kinds of aid, it's not like people will go extinct. Most of them will die, but some will survive and reproduce, and that makes it all right!
        king_jester 13y ago
        > Yes, and it's a problem! We should be doing everything we can so that people finally STOP DYING. There is a difference between dying as a result of problems in our society and dying as the inevitable result of having been born. Societies generally have fix their own issues, other people cannot do it for them. As outsiders who know nothing of the society of the people living on this island, we cannot and should not attempt to change their society to a way we feel more appropriate, that is literally genocide.
        13y ago
    - lucian1900 13y ago
      They are better, objectively.
- bedhead 13y ago
  C. What's the upside for us by contacting them? There's nothing at stake for us, it doesn't matter.
alan_cx 13y ago
We cant get our own cultures right, why screw up more?

by eshvk 13y ago

Why leave them alone? (I have my own reasons why they should or shouldn't be left alone. I am just curious to figure out why you are so insistent that they be left alone.)

JonnieCache 13y ago

A. it is clearly what they want. B. contact with us is likely to be deadly to them.

homeomorphic 13y ago
> A. it is clearly what they want. We all encounter at times fellow humans who want something that clearly is based on lacking information. Of course we respect such things, but only up to a certain point. We often do try to help people see the bigger picture - sometimes we do say "I hear you say that that is what you want, but have you considered the fact that...". > B. contact with us is likely to be deadly to them. This can be remedied with technology. A crude solution would be to land in hazmat suits and have a chat. I don't know how we should deal with the bows and arrows though.
- alan_cx 13y ago
  A. Yeah, except we never tell them the down side. We arrogantly assume our oh so clever technical ways are better. Sadly we are still not mature enough to decently make contact with such people.
  - Anderkent 13y ago
    You can't be serious. How many children are you willing to condemn to extremely premature death because of your noble savage illusion? Yes, our 'oh so clever technical ways' are not perfect. But they are so much better. Perhaps these people are just as happy as we are. Even so, their stillborn children are still dead. They almost certainly see more murder and rape. How can you condemn people to living like that, even if they want to because they don't know any better?
    - geuis 13y ago
      Don't you dare bring out the fucking "oh the children" argument. People die all the fucking time. Its what people do, we die. These people, if the suppositions are to be believed, have been able to survive and reproduce for tens of thousands of years. They don't need your pity or "help". If you sit back for an hour or so and re-read your comment 10-20 times, you'll realize what a Western missionary statement it is. Basically, your mindset seems to be similar to the "save the heathens" mindset of 18th - 19th century Europe in regards to the US and Australia, among other places. Surely we can't save them in body, but if we convert them before they die then they'll be saved in the light of the Lord. Hala loola or whatever. Yeah, I'm serious. Leave them alone.
      - Anderkent 13y ago
        > People die all the fucking time. Its what people do, we die. Yes, and it's a problem! We should be doing everything we can so that people finally STOP DYING. And we should strive especially hard when it's children dying because their parents are too used to everyone dying to ASK FOR HELP. Now, in some cases it's difficult. We can't do it for everyone just yet. But in this case it's not. >These people, if the suppositions are to be believed, have been able to survive and reproduce for tens of thousands of years. Oh, that makes it all right then! Let's stop any kinds of aid, it's not like people will go extinct. Most of them will die, but some will survive and reproduce, and that makes it all right!
        king_jester 13y ago
        > Yes, and it's a problem! We should be doing everything we can so that people finally STOP DYING. There is a difference between dying as a result of problems in our society and dying as the inevitable result of having been born. Societies generally have fix their own issues, other people cannot do it for them. As outsiders who know nothing of the society of the people living on this island, we cannot and should not attempt to change their society to a way we feel more appropriate, that is literally genocide.
        13y ago
  - lucian1900 13y ago
    They are better, objectively.
bedhead 13y ago
C. What's the upside for us by contacting them? There's nothing at stake for us, it doesn't matter.

alan_cx 13y ago

We cant get our own cultures right, why screw up more?