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Jerry Brown vetoes privacy bill for California

28 points by bifrost 13y ago

afhof 13y ago
Before you make a knee-jerk decision about this, read the (very short) bill here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1434_bill_20120409_amended_sen_v98.html http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb... ---- There seems to be a number of other provisions in this bill that the original article glossed over, specifically surrounding disclose of the number of warrants used. Why law enforcement is so squeamish about releasing numbers is mystifying. Is there some legitimate reason to not be forthcoming?
- amirmc 13y ago
  > "Why law enforcement is so squeamish about releasing numbers is mystifying." Perhaps because once you release numbers, there are many ways others can use them to make you look bad/incompetent. I'm not justifying this position, merely pointing out a possible opinion.
rbanffy 13y ago
This may be a little bit off-topic, but did anyone else notice we are reading a lot of news about the US from a news site in Russia? As someone who grew up during the cold war, this sure feels weird...
- paraxisi 13y ago
  This sums up the problem pretty well, I feel. http://cdn.front.moveon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/media-5001.jpg http://cdn.front.moveon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/media...
- davidcuddeback 13y ago
  I first noticed this during the election in 2012. The best coverage I could find on third-party candidates was from RT. I've since then noticed RT show up on HN a few times, mostly covering the NSA controversy.
- JonnieCache 13y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power Britain has been doing the same thing for 80 years or so with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_Service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_Service
- pvdm 13y ago
  Main stream media has been co-opted by the corporate state, e.g. CNN. We don't really have an independent press any more. It is no surprise that RT maybe the only avenue to stay informed.
- deleted 13y ago
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- protomyth 13y ago
  Reason.tv (Reason magazine's video site) post videos from shows that their staff / contributors appear on. It has been interesting seeing the number of times RT has shown up. Weird world where libertarians appear on Russian owned media.
  - bifrost 13y ago
    It is pretty funny, I got tuned into RT about 6-7 years ago because they actually carried US-libertarian oriented stories. I suspect its because they're former enemies of the western world, can't let a good story go to waste. I also like DeutscheWelle, but they're a bit more polite.
jnorthrop 13y ago
This is a story from last October. Why is it being posted now?
- greenyoda 13y ago
  I'd guess it's related to the renewed interest in privacy prompted by Snowden's recent disclosures of the NSA's activities. It's interesting to see that it's not just the NSA that wants to do warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens. (See also the recent articles about all the local governments that are scanning license plates and archiving the data on where everyone has been.)

28 points by bifrost 13y ago

afhof 13y ago

Before you make a knee-jerk decision about this, read the (very short) bill here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1434_bill_20120409_amended_sen_v98.html http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb... ---- There seems to be a number of other provisions in this bill that the original article glossed over, specifically surrounding disclose of the number of warrants used. Why law enforcement is so squeamish about releasing numbers is mystifying. Is there some legitimate reason to not be forthcoming?

amirmc 13y ago
> "Why law enforcement is so squeamish about releasing numbers is mystifying." Perhaps because once you release numbers, there are many ways others can use them to make you look bad/incompetent. I'm not justifying this position, merely pointing out a possible opinion.

rbanffy 13y ago

This may be a little bit off-topic, but did anyone else notice we are reading a lot of news about the US from a news site in Russia? As someone who grew up during the cold war, this sure feels weird...

paraxisi 13y ago
This sums up the problem pretty well, I feel. http://cdn.front.moveon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/media-5001.jpg http://cdn.front.moveon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/media...
davidcuddeback 13y ago
I first noticed this during the election in 2012. The best coverage I could find on third-party candidates was from RT. I've since then noticed RT show up on HN a few times, mostly covering the NSA controversy.
JonnieCache 13y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power Britain has been doing the same thing for 80 years or so with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_Service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_Service
pvdm 13y ago
Main stream media has been co-opted by the corporate state, e.g. CNN. We don't really have an independent press any more. It is no surprise that RT maybe the only avenue to stay informed.
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protomyth 13y ago
Reason.tv (Reason magazine's video site) post videos from shows that their staff / contributors appear on. It has been interesting seeing the number of times RT has shown up. Weird world where libertarians appear on Russian owned media.
- bifrost 13y ago
  It is pretty funny, I got tuned into RT about 6-7 years ago because they actually carried US-libertarian oriented stories. I suspect its because they're former enemies of the western world, can't let a good story go to waste. I also like DeutscheWelle, but they're a bit more polite.

jnorthrop 13y ago

This is a story from last October. Why is it being posted now?

greenyoda 13y ago
I'd guess it's related to the renewed interest in privacy prompted by Snowden's recent disclosures of the NSA's activities. It's interesting to see that it's not just the NSA that wants to do warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens. (See also the recent articles about all the local governments that are scanning license plates and archiving the data on where everyone has been.)