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This is an intriguing proposal, but one that I think it ultimately flawed. Once a wave is strong enough for there be to appreciable density differences (NOT the
by shoyer 13y ago
This is an intriguing proposal, but one that I think it ultimately flawed. Once a wave is strong enough for there be to appreciable density differences (NOT the usual case for sound waves), the usual wave equation for sound does not apply [1]. In the case of such "Very Strong Sound Waves", you have a non-linear wave equation and thus the shape of your wave is no longer fixed as it moves. Eventually, you end up with shock wave, where the front of your wave is a discontinuity.
Why is this problematic? Well, once you have a shock wave (e.g., a wave crashing on the beach), the physics gets a lot more complicated. You are basically riding an explosion in a tube.
At this point, it no longer safe to me to neglect factors like dissipation. Your shock wave is going to heat up the air and eventually fizzle out. If you want to keep it going, you'll need to be continually supplying tremendous amounts of energy at exactly the right time along your tube. You'll also have to be continually cooling or cycling the air to relieve the waste energy.
To me, it seems a lot simpler and more reliable (not to mention safer) to simply evacuate your tube, which, I believe, is the original hyperloop idea.
[1] http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/waves/soundwav.htm#H http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/waves/soundwav.htm#H
- cma 13y agoThat's a great link.. should help see how far this could be practically taken. When the wave is very strong the heat generated by compression isn't dissipated adiabatically the wave starts losing energy to waste heat; if you increase the wavelength you again move back to the adiabatic regime. How far can you take it? I don't know, I'd like to see some numbers and that's probably what I'd work on next if I keep looking into this.. probably won't until after Elon's announcement. For extreme cases of high-amplitude waves where the particle velocity itself is getting close to the speed of sound, I definitely don't know what all happens, but somewhere in the write-up or comments here I at least had going that far as a bound on how far you could push things before you didn't really even have sound waves anymore.
- aidenn0 13y ago"To me, it seems a lot simpler and more reliable (not to mention safer) to simply evacuate your tube, which, I believe, is the original hyperloop idea." Musk has said on the record that it's not an evacuated tube.