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For the record, as stated in that thread archlinux moved a long time ago. Some of the mailing list threads and the annoucement: * Annoucement: https://www.arch

by diaz 13y ago

For the record, as stated in that thread archlinux moved a long time ago. Some of the mailing list threads and the annoucement: * Annoucement: https://www.archlinux.org/news/install-medium-20121006-introduces-systemd/ https://www.archlinux.org/news/install-medium-20121006-intro... * Discussion on arch-general: https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-August/029785.html https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-Au... * Discussion on arch-dev: https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012... And there should be older threads but I dont have time to look for them now.

darklajid 13y ago
Is that the same thing? Yes, Arch is using systemd. So is Fedora. The argument that is linked wants to remove a syslogd implementation from the default installation. Right now, the default is journal (cannot be removed, if you're using systemd as explained in that discussion) _plus_ syslogd. The proposal asks for journal w/o syslogd by default (but available as a package of course). That said: My Arch systems don't run a syslogd either, so .. maybe they switched 'completely' in that announcement?
- diaz 13y ago
  When systemd became the default in Arch a syslogd implementation became optional. Just after a few weeks after installing systemd and running it side by side with syslogd I completly switched to a pure systemd + journald without the syslogd. That's how I remember it at least, I may be wrong in some point. --------- EDIT: Ok, I went and searched a little more, here is what I found related to systemd + journald + syslog discussion: * systemd's journal and syslog: https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-February/025067.html https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-Fe... * Arch wiki, about journald: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Journald_in_conjunction_with_syslog https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Journald_in_con... I think it's interesting to know how Arch did the switch and how it is used, considering this current discussion in the fedora mailing list.

by diaz 13y ago

darklajid 13y ago

Is that the same thing? Yes, Arch is using systemd. So is Fedora. The argument that is linked wants to remove a syslogd implementation from the default installation. Right now, the default is journal (cannot be removed, if you're using systemd as explained in that discussion) _plus_ syslogd. The proposal asks for journal w/o syslogd by default (but available as a package of course). That said: My Arch systems don't run a syslogd either, so .. maybe they switched 'completely' in that announcement?

diaz 13y ago
When systemd became the default in Arch a syslogd implementation became optional. Just after a few weeks after installing systemd and running it side by side with syslogd I completly switched to a pure systemd + journald without the syslogd. That's how I remember it at least, I may be wrong in some point. --------- EDIT: Ok, I went and searched a little more, here is what I found related to systemd + journald + syslog discussion: * systemd's journal and syslog: https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-February/025067.html https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-Fe... * Arch wiki, about journald: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Journald_in_conjunction_with_syslog https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Journald_in_con... I think it's interesting to know how Arch did the switch and how it is used, considering this current discussion in the fedora mailing list.