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> What's to explain about a controlled demolition? The physics of a controlled demolition is fairly simple. Take out or weaken one a few pillars and the weigh

by jussij 13y ago

> What's to explain about a controlled demolition? The physics of a controlled demolition is fairly simple. Take out or weaken one a few pillars and the weight of the building will do the rest. Why would it not possible for a fire and/or an explosion to do exactly the same thing? Nothing. Lets assume it was a controlled demolition. Now answer these obvious questions that this would raise. Did all the people in the building not see the dynamite strapped to the pillars? Did they not see the 100s of meters of wires? When did the guys that wired the build do the wiring? Was it during working hours or after hours? How come no camera, person or security guard managed to see them?

PavlovsCat 13y ago
Why would it not possible for a fire and/or an explosion to do exactly the same thing? Because it would very likely tip over, or at least veer to one direction, instead of folding neatly into itself. Did all the people in the building not see the dynamite strapped to the pillars? What makes you assume dynamite? Did they not see the 100s of meters of wires? What makes you assume wires? When did the guys that wired the build do the wiring? Who knows? When did the dude who sucked at flying sports planes learn to fly a boeing so well? How did a passport of one of the attackers allegedly get found on the scene? If you want a conspiracy theory, try a bunch of guys taking down THREE high rises with TWO airplanes and a bunch of box cutters. Hah. Was it during working hours or after hours? How is that relevant? How come no camera, person or security guard managed to see them? Are you say it's not possible to deposit bags of C4 (etc.) with remote triggers in the right spots even just 10 minutes before impact, and safely get out? Or, to be alone in a room just enough to hide it in the ceiling or walls or wherever? I'm not saying it's easy, but it seems easier than even just flying a boeing so well without practical experience, or such a tall skyscraper folding neatly just by pure luck, and both of that happening twice on one day.
- Phlarp 13y ago
  Listen to yourself. The last paragraph is utter nonsense. I actually agree that we aren't being told the full story on 9/11 but you make these accusations with zero grasp on the reality of how much work it takes to down a building like that. Demolitions like what you describe take months of prep, a gutted building, and precise explosives wrapped around multiple central supports. A few bricks of C4 on remote detonators stashed above a drop ceiling is never going to take out an entire building, let alone in the controlled way you claim occurred here... just synchronizing wireless detonators to explode simultaneously is a non-trivial technical feat. (Independent synchronised clocks and all the calculations for the travel time of the signal through various materials to different locations) I'm not saying it's not possible, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence I'm adamant that we're being lied to about things related to these attacks, but making things up to fill the vacuum of information is behavior that belongs back in the middle ages.
  - jackbravo 13y ago
    Hehe. Listen to yourself. So a plane crashing somewhere in the building, with a little help from gravity, can do the same as a prepared detonation that takes one month to plan, with carefully synchronized explosives around multiple central supports... Twice in a day.
    - jussij 13y ago
      Yes, exactly. Millions of tonnes of build, gravity and some weaken beams will do exactly that. I'm glad you're starting to get a handle on this thing called Physics.
- igravious 13y ago
  If, as you claim, one or more of the buildings contained explosives which were detonated then why fly planes into them? I mean you could just blow up the buildings and blame it on whoever you wanted without needing to supposedly hijack planes and have to convince people that some dude who sucked at flying planes could now fly a plane. Parts of the official story are perhaps hard to believe or lack credibility. But it was not an ordinary event, it was an extraordinary one meaning that we'll have a lot of unanswered questions and very little precedent. In the absence of certainty we fall back on our default positions. Some people could never imagine a bunch of foreigners hate the US enough and have the skills and ingenuity to pull something like this off. Only we have agency, others do not. Some people blame everything bad that happens on their government. In fact for some it's more palatable in a way to think that your government did it. Anyway, we know you know the truth - but can you please keep your opinions to yourself, it only serves to derail the actual discussion at hand; but who knows, maybe that's your intention.
  - ferdo 13y ago
    How were we supposed to get pissed off at 19 theology students from Saudi Arabia unless they flew planes into buildings so we could invade Afghanistan and Iraq?
ferdo 13y ago
It's not up to me to explain the events around 9/11. It's enough to know that the government and the media lied their asses off about it and are continuing to do so in order to prosecute a bullshit "war". The official story is an obvious lie.
- jussij 13y ago
  > in order to prosecute a bullshit "war". Two wars in fact. > It's enough to know that the government and the media lied their asses off Life doesn't offer up points for being thoughtful and wise after the event. The USA invaded IRAQ looking for WMD and trying to blaming Saddam Hussein for 9/11. Even before the war started it was a well-known fact there were no WMDs and Saddam Hussein had no links to 9/11 and anyone who thought about this rationally knew an invasion was not a good idea. But as you said the government and the media lied their asses off and the unwashed masses where taken in hook line and sinker. The majority of the citizens of USA, UK, Australia and Spain all supported the plan to invade IRAQ. Move on a decade and those same citizens now think it was a big mistake. Well it too late. You can't put the genie back into the bottle. Through their collective stupidity, the citizens of the USA, UK, Australia and Spain will be paying for that big mistake for years to come. What's unfortunate the ripple effect of that big mistake affects us all.

by jussij 13y ago

PavlovsCat 13y ago

Why would it not possible for a fire and/or an explosion to do exactly the same thing? Because it would very likely tip over, or at least veer to one direction, instead of folding neatly into itself. Did all the people in the building not see the dynamite strapped to the pillars? What makes you assume dynamite? Did they not see the 100s of meters of wires? What makes you assume wires? When did the guys that wired the build do the wiring? Who knows? When did the dude who sucked at flying sports planes learn to fly a boeing so well? How did a passport of one of the attackers allegedly get found on the scene? If you want a conspiracy theory, try a bunch of guys taking down THREE high rises with TWO airplanes and a bunch of box cutters. Hah. Was it during working hours or after hours? How is that relevant? How come no camera, person or security guard managed to see them? Are you say it's not possible to deposit bags of C4 (etc.) with remote triggers in the right spots even just 10 minutes before impact, and safely get out? Or, to be alone in a room just enough to hide it in the ceiling or walls or wherever? I'm not saying it's easy, but it seems easier than even just flying a boeing so well without practical experience, or such a tall skyscraper folding neatly just by pure luck, and both of that happening twice on one day.

Phlarp 13y ago
Listen to yourself. The last paragraph is utter nonsense. I actually agree that we aren't being told the full story on 9/11 but you make these accusations with zero grasp on the reality of how much work it takes to down a building like that. Demolitions like what you describe take months of prep, a gutted building, and precise explosives wrapped around multiple central supports. A few bricks of C4 on remote detonators stashed above a drop ceiling is never going to take out an entire building, let alone in the controlled way you claim occurred here... just synchronizing wireless detonators to explode simultaneously is a non-trivial technical feat. (Independent synchronised clocks and all the calculations for the travel time of the signal through various materials to different locations) I'm not saying it's not possible, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence I'm adamant that we're being lied to about things related to these attacks, but making things up to fill the vacuum of information is behavior that belongs back in the middle ages.
- jackbravo 13y ago
  Hehe. Listen to yourself. So a plane crashing somewhere in the building, with a little help from gravity, can do the same as a prepared detonation that takes one month to plan, with carefully synchronized explosives around multiple central supports... Twice in a day.
  - jussij 13y ago
    Yes, exactly. Millions of tonnes of build, gravity and some weaken beams will do exactly that. I'm glad you're starting to get a handle on this thing called Physics.
igravious 13y ago
If, as you claim, one or more of the buildings contained explosives which were detonated then why fly planes into them? I mean you could just blow up the buildings and blame it on whoever you wanted without needing to supposedly hijack planes and have to convince people that some dude who sucked at flying planes could now fly a plane. Parts of the official story are perhaps hard to believe or lack credibility. But it was not an ordinary event, it was an extraordinary one meaning that we'll have a lot of unanswered questions and very little precedent. In the absence of certainty we fall back on our default positions. Some people could never imagine a bunch of foreigners hate the US enough and have the skills and ingenuity to pull something like this off. Only we have agency, others do not. Some people blame everything bad that happens on their government. In fact for some it's more palatable in a way to think that your government did it. Anyway, we know you know the truth - but can you please keep your opinions to yourself, it only serves to derail the actual discussion at hand; but who knows, maybe that's your intention.
- ferdo 13y ago
  How were we supposed to get pissed off at 19 theology students from Saudi Arabia unless they flew planes into buildings so we could invade Afghanistan and Iraq?

ferdo 13y ago

It's not up to me to explain the events around 9/11. It's enough to know that the government and the media lied their asses off about it and are continuing to do so in order to prosecute a bullshit "war". The official story is an obvious lie.

jussij 13y ago
> in order to prosecute a bullshit "war". Two wars in fact. > It's enough to know that the government and the media lied their asses off Life doesn't offer up points for being thoughtful and wise after the event. The USA invaded IRAQ looking for WMD and trying to blaming Saddam Hussein for 9/11. Even before the war started it was a well-known fact there were no WMDs and Saddam Hussein had no links to 9/11 and anyone who thought about this rationally knew an invasion was not a good idea. But as you said the government and the media lied their asses off and the unwashed masses where taken in hook line and sinker. The majority of the citizens of USA, UK, Australia and Spain all supported the plan to invade IRAQ. Move on a decade and those same citizens now think it was a big mistake. Well it too late. You can't put the genie back into the bottle. Through their collective stupidity, the citizens of the USA, UK, Australia and Spain will be paying for that big mistake for years to come. What's unfortunate the ripple effect of that big mistake affects us all.