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tzs is right though, at some point we will automate most of the labor/service jobs away. We either need to dispense with the whole protestant-work-ethic sing-fo

tzs is right though, at some point we will automate most of the labor/service jobs away. We either need to dispense with the whole protestant-work-ethic sing-for-your-supper crap, or make damn sure that we have enough stuff to do, and that people have the resources (access to education) they need to do new jobs. " time to pay everyone to stay at home" There are various levels of "paying everyone to stay at home" There is moving to a part-time employment model. There are also possibilities for interesting good things to happen to the labor market once everyone is not trapped in "must always work" mode.

jiggy2011 13y ago
Could you move to a part time employment model without legally imposing a maximum on the number of hours each person can work? I know I would certainly not willingly give up half my hours and income and have to put all of my work in a state where someone else can take over every few days.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
  >Could you move to a part time employment model without legally imposing a maximum on the number of hours each person can work? I think the taxman's bludgeon would be the weapon of choice here. >I know I would certainly not willingly give up half my hours and income and have to put all of my work in a state where someone else can take over every few days. What do you propose as an alternative? A worker-class and a loafer-class? Prisons? Eugenics? Population control isn't very warm and fuzzy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFESMAU58&list=PL381A1925DC384937 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFESMAU58&list=PL381A1925D...
  - jiggy2011 13y ago
    Would you tax people based on the number of hours they worked? What about people who are not paid hourly, which would increase drastically unless you outlawed it. Then you have to define what counts as "work", does reading HN count towards your daily allowance since it is tangentially related to your work? What about reading documentation? Or is it only the hours you are typing code into an editor? All options seem undesirable when you take them to their logical conclusions.
    - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
      >Would you tax people based on the number of hours they worked? Not me man, I have a job. I just said taxes because that seems like the favorite/most humane weapon of gov't with which to influence people. >All options seem undesirable when you take them to their logical conclusions. Such is the case for doing nothing as well, I believe.

jiggy2011 13y ago

Could you move to a part time employment model without legally imposing a maximum on the number of hours each person can work? I know I would certainly not willingly give up half my hours and income and have to put all of my work in a state where someone else can take over every few days.

fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
>Could you move to a part time employment model without legally imposing a maximum on the number of hours each person can work? I think the taxman's bludgeon would be the weapon of choice here. >I know I would certainly not willingly give up half my hours and income and have to put all of my work in a state where someone else can take over every few days. What do you propose as an alternative? A worker-class and a loafer-class? Prisons? Eugenics? Population control isn't very warm and fuzzy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFESMAU58&list=PL381A1925DC384937 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFESMAU58&list=PL381A1925D...
- jiggy2011 13y ago
  Would you tax people based on the number of hours they worked? What about people who are not paid hourly, which would increase drastically unless you outlawed it. Then you have to define what counts as "work", does reading HN count towards your daily allowance since it is tangentially related to your work? What about reading documentation? Or is it only the hours you are typing code into an editor? All options seem undesirable when you take them to their logical conclusions.
  - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
    >Would you tax people based on the number of hours they worked? Not me man, I have a job. I just said taxes because that seems like the favorite/most humane weapon of gov't with which to influence people. >All options seem undesirable when you take them to their logical conclusions. Such is the case for doing nothing as well, I believe.