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There are only a few things I want from a Gmail competitor, whether it be a webapp or desktop app: - Search. Good, fast search over 7 GB of email. - Speed.

by comex 13y ago

There are only a few things I want from a Gmail competitor, whether it be a webapp or desktop app: - Search. Good, fast search over 7 GB of email. - Speed. - Undo send. - Multiple aliases on the same email account. It's definitely possible to beat Gmail in the first two, these days, but importing all that email into another service takes a while, so there had better be a good case that I'll get equal or superior functionality. A demo would be nice. Until then, I'll stick with the old compose, and probably find or write a user script to make the new one work like the old one once it goes away. (Incidentally, Mail.app comes quite close to meeting the first two, but its search is a bit wonky, and there's no undo send.)

ineedtosleep 13y ago
If one wants #2, I don't see #3 being viable in conjunction. How would an undo send work (other than placing it in some sort of delayed queue/spool)?
- comex 13y ago
  Indeed, that's how Gmail's undo send works - it delays outgoing messages for ten seconds. Of course this is necessarily an exception to speed :)
- Tyr42 13y ago
  It delays sending for a minute or 15 seconds, long enough to go, "WAIT, I forgot something, undo". Kinda useful.
- deleted 13y ago
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- gcb0 13y ago
  undo send is dumb and the worst name/implementation. i'd either add a dialog (with default selected button being Cancel) or replace the Send button with a Preview button, which would show the message the same way you read a message, and there you would have the Send button.
  - nnethercote 13y ago
    Undo send is great. It lets you undo the one time in a hundred that you make a mistake. Your solution would require that everybody click through an additional dialog on every single email sent. Letting people recover from uncommon mistakes is better than ham-fisted and annoying mechanisms that attempt to prevent the mistake.
    - gcb0 13y ago
      "undo" email does nothing else than create a false sense of security. It probably works for the impatient that is hitting ctrl+enter (or whatever shortcut) too soon by muscle memory. but then it should be called delayed send to not give a false mental model to the user. the current model is preventing the real mistakes for probably 1/10 of the cases it's needed. and enticing less care and probably bumping the rate in the end.
  - fluffyllemon 13y ago
    Neither the dialog nor the preview solves the problem that an undo button solves. If a dialog or preview comes up for every message you send, you just develop a new habit for sending mail (press the send button, then press the send button again on the dialog / preview). If anything, it just creates more of a hassle for the user. The undo button is for that 'Oh crap!' moment, when your auto-pilot lead you astray.
dpearce 13y ago
You can get undo send in Gmail labs
rocky1138 13y ago
This, plus a spam filter that is Gmail quality or better. This was the biggest problem I had with Y!Mail back in the day.

by comex 13y ago

ineedtosleep 13y ago

If one wants #2, I don't see #3 being viable in conjunction. How would an undo send work (other than placing it in some sort of delayed queue/spool)?

comex 13y ago
Indeed, that's how Gmail's undo send works - it delays outgoing messages for ten seconds. Of course this is necessarily an exception to speed :)
Tyr42 13y ago
It delays sending for a minute or 15 seconds, long enough to go, "WAIT, I forgot something, undo". Kinda useful.
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gcb0 13y ago
undo send is dumb and the worst name/implementation. i'd either add a dialog (with default selected button being Cancel) or replace the Send button with a Preview button, which would show the message the same way you read a message, and there you would have the Send button.
- nnethercote 13y ago
  Undo send is great. It lets you undo the one time in a hundred that you make a mistake. Your solution would require that everybody click through an additional dialog on every single email sent. Letting people recover from uncommon mistakes is better than ham-fisted and annoying mechanisms that attempt to prevent the mistake.
  - gcb0 13y ago
    "undo" email does nothing else than create a false sense of security. It probably works for the impatient that is hitting ctrl+enter (or whatever shortcut) too soon by muscle memory. but then it should be called delayed send to not give a false mental model to the user. the current model is preventing the real mistakes for probably 1/10 of the cases it's needed. and enticing less care and probably bumping the rate in the end.
- fluffyllemon 13y ago
  Neither the dialog nor the preview solves the problem that an undo button solves. If a dialog or preview comes up for every message you send, you just develop a new habit for sending mail (press the send button, then press the send button again on the dialog / preview). If anything, it just creates more of a hassle for the user. The undo button is for that 'Oh crap!' moment, when your auto-pilot lead you astray.

dpearce 13y ago

You can get undo send in Gmail labs

rocky1138 13y ago

This, plus a spam filter that is Gmail quality or better. This was the biggest problem I had with Y!Mail back in the day.