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The "best" email client now is one run by a non NSA-company using Ajax, so not Gmail, neither Yahoomail. Anyone knows good ones?

by wellboy 13y ago

stock_toaster 13y ago
I like fastmail. Their two-factor auth leaves something to be desired though -- I also wish there was an imap/smtp only password type.
- frenger 13y ago
  I moved to Fastmail too because they're Australian, though I later found out Australia is PRISM-compatible: http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-li... > "Mr Snowden said that the other partners in the "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance of the US, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand 'sometimes go even further than the [National Security Agency] people themselves.'" edit: got link wrong
  - stock_toaster 13y ago
    ;_; I actually looked for a mail service (besides google) inside the USA, because I figured spying on non-citizen services would be even more prevalent. But it came down to rackspace email (which was "just ok" but lacked any kind of two factor auth/alternative logins) and fastmail (which I found nicer).
- ReidZB 13y ago
  Agreed on the two-factor auth bit: their implementation seems a bit wacky. (At least, their Google Authenticator TOTP implementation. It seemed like their Yubikey implementation was pretty good, but I don't have a Yubikey.) However, their "alternative login" thing is pretty useful. I have separate (completely random) passwords for the IMAP sync for my phone and work machine, so I can revoke those at any time without touching the master password. In some sense, that setup is similar to the one Google has for two-factor auth and service-specific passwords.
  - stock_toaster 13y ago
    Indeed. And the 'regular' alternative logins do have _somewhat_ limited access, but to be usable for pop/imap/smtp they have to be of type 'full access'. 'full access' regular logins can do _everything_ but modify other alternative logins. If you happen to have domain admin rights added to your login (eg. not the main domain admin account), regular logins can even do that! I would probably pay double for an "imap/smtp only login" feature. ;)
josephlord 13y ago
I'm using EUMX.net. On the plus sides it is cheap for good amounts of storage, reliable so far, support is helpful and it is Europe (Hungary) based rather than US based. The main negative is the lack of documentation and I can't seem to access their forums which may have closed but may have had the answers I needed and avoided an email to support. I also don't know much about the company in terms of ownership and control.

The "best" email client now is one run by a non NSA-company using Ajax, so not Gmail, neither Yahoomail. Anyone knows good ones?

by wellboy 13y ago

The "best" email client now is one run by a non NSA-company using Ajax, so not Gmail, neither Yahoomail. Anyone knows good ones?

stock_toaster 13y ago

I like fastmail. Their two-factor auth leaves something to be desired though -- I also wish there was an imap/smtp only password type.

frenger 13y ago
I moved to Fastmail too because they're Australian, though I later found out Australia is PRISM-compatible: http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-li... > "Mr Snowden said that the other partners in the "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance of the US, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand 'sometimes go even further than the [National Security Agency] people themselves.'" edit: got link wrong
- stock_toaster 13y ago
  ;_; I actually looked for a mail service (besides google) inside the USA, because I figured spying on non-citizen services would be even more prevalent. But it came down to rackspace email (which was "just ok" but lacked any kind of two factor auth/alternative logins) and fastmail (which I found nicer).
ReidZB 13y ago
Agreed on the two-factor auth bit: their implementation seems a bit wacky. (At least, their Google Authenticator TOTP implementation. It seemed like their Yubikey implementation was pretty good, but I don't have a Yubikey.) However, their "alternative login" thing is pretty useful. I have separate (completely random) passwords for the IMAP sync for my phone and work machine, so I can revoke those at any time without touching the master password. In some sense, that setup is similar to the one Google has for two-factor auth and service-specific passwords.
- stock_toaster 13y ago
  Indeed. And the 'regular' alternative logins do have _somewhat_ limited access, but to be usable for pop/imap/smtp they have to be of type 'full access'. 'full access' regular logins can do _everything_ but modify other alternative logins. If you happen to have domain admin rights added to your login (eg. not the main domain admin account), regular logins can even do that! I would probably pay double for an "imap/smtp only login" feature. ;)

josephlord 13y ago

I'm using EUMX.net. On the plus sides it is cheap for good amounts of storage, reliable so far, support is helpful and it is Europe (Hungary) based rather than US based. The main negative is the lack of documentation and I can't seem to access their forums which may have closed but may have had the answers I needed and avoided an email to support. I also don't know much about the company in terms of ownership and control.