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It could be that there are only three to five children killed by lightning each year because preventative efforts are extremely widespread.

mikeash 13y ago
Lightning is also trivial to defend against. The only hard part is education and awareness. A person who knows how to avoid lightning and wants to avoid it will easily reduce their chances of being struck by a huge amount. Reducing kidnapping is much harder.
corresation 13y ago
Indeed. We all have it pounded into our heads that lightning is dangerous. Sports have standard guidelines, strictly followed, about cancellations in weather. There are significant efforts made to avoid lightning deaths. Yet I was replying to someone who said that children "don't ever actually get kidnapped" because 115 a year apparently don't count as "ever" (half of whom get murdered, the other half harmed in various other ways, and that's ignoring the 50,000+ who are molested in bathrooms and the like, yearly). All to refute a simple statement that logging might prove useful in such a circumstance.
- duijf 13y ago
  > All to refute a simple statement that logging might prove useful in such a circumstance. I don't think that was goal. I think he was questioning whether invading the privacy of a huge amount of individuals is worth it for that cause. How critical is it to have 2 year's worth of car-location data at your fingertips for any investigation? The question is not whether kids ever get kidnapped, but whether such a gigantic dataset aids investigation in any way. A compromise would be to delete the data after a few days, similar to what happens in Minesota, according to the article. Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(rhetoric) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(rhetoric... edit: I mistakenly assumed that hvs and rayiner were the same person. There might be something to be said for your interpretation, but I would assume the best possible one.

mikeash 13y ago

Lightning is also trivial to defend against. The only hard part is education and awareness. A person who knows how to avoid lightning and wants to avoid it will easily reduce their chances of being struck by a huge amount. Reducing kidnapping is much harder.

corresation 13y ago

Indeed. We all have it pounded into our heads that lightning is dangerous. Sports have standard guidelines, strictly followed, about cancellations in weather. There are significant efforts made to avoid lightning deaths. Yet I was replying to someone who said that children "don't ever actually get kidnapped" because 115 a year apparently don't count as "ever" (half of whom get murdered, the other half harmed in various other ways, and that's ignoring the 50,000+ who are molested in bathrooms and the like, yearly). All to refute a simple statement that logging might prove useful in such a circumstance.

duijf 13y ago
> All to refute a simple statement that logging might prove useful in such a circumstance. I don't think that was goal. I think he was questioning whether invading the privacy of a huge amount of individuals is worth it for that cause. How critical is it to have 2 year's worth of car-location data at your fingertips for any investigation? The question is not whether kids ever get kidnapped, but whether such a gigantic dataset aids investigation in any way. A compromise would be to delete the data after a few days, similar to what happens in Minesota, according to the article. Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(rhetoric) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(rhetoric... edit: I mistakenly assumed that hvs and rayiner were the same person. There might be something to be said for your interpretation, but I would assume the best possible one.