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This would mean that Google would not be able to data main user data for relevant ads. If Google wants to take small free from the encryption, I would be OK wit

This would mean that Google would not be able to data main user data for relevant ads. If Google wants to take small free from the encryption, I would be OK with that. It would be also nice to have option where my data is begin stored (again for a fee if necessary). I would like mine in their Finnish data center.

Kapura 13y ago
> If Google wants to take small free from the encryption, I would be OK with that. You shouldn't have to pay a company to make sure they don't share your data. That is, in essence, what you're suggesting: you pay google, they encrypt your data and when the government comes a-knocking, it's safe. It's like a hack in a broken system
- kyzyl 13y ago
  That may be true, but the broken system is the government, not Google. Google appears (being the operative word...) to simply be doing what they can in the current system. However, I think you somewhat sidestepped hannibal's point. My impression was that he was saying that just by putting your files in drive for google to mine, you are effectively paying google. If they encrypt your files, it's akin to them discontinuing their monthly fee (or whatever) for the service. So sure, if you're already paying a fee for a service then maybe you shouldn't need to pay extra for the luxury of privacy (make no mistake, privacy is a luxury these days), but Google encrypting their revenue stream means you are substituting the ad fee for the encryption fee. Seems fair to me.
- hannibal5 13y ago
  As long as I use Gmail and Google drive for free (and I'm using Adblock), they have to monetize the service they provide to me somehow. I would like to have clear option of being fed advertisements and being profiled for profits and paying for service.
psbp 13y ago
Does google data mine Drive? I always thought the monetary incentive was through the cloud storage tiers.
kyboren 13y ago
Putting your data on Google's servers in Finland won't save it from the NSA. Google's headquarters are in the US, and so Google complies with "legal" US Government data requests. Your data is subject to US Government subpoena, FISA warrant, etc. if it's stored on Google's property--wherever that property happens to be.
- hannibal5 13y ago
  That's incorrect. Companies must follow laws of each country. Chinese companies can't follow orders from Chinese courts if they break US laws when they operate in US. Besides, Google has local company in each country that runs business there.

Kapura 13y ago

> If Google wants to take small free from the encryption, I would be OK with that. You shouldn't have to pay a company to make sure they don't share your data. That is, in essence, what you're suggesting: you pay google, they encrypt your data and when the government comes a-knocking, it's safe. It's like a hack in a broken system

kyzyl 13y ago
That may be true, but the broken system is the government, not Google. Google appears (being the operative word...) to simply be doing what they can in the current system. However, I think you somewhat sidestepped hannibal's point. My impression was that he was saying that just by putting your files in drive for google to mine, you are effectively paying google. If they encrypt your files, it's akin to them discontinuing their monthly fee (or whatever) for the service. So sure, if you're already paying a fee for a service then maybe you shouldn't need to pay extra for the luxury of privacy (make no mistake, privacy is a luxury these days), but Google encrypting their revenue stream means you are substituting the ad fee for the encryption fee. Seems fair to me.
hannibal5 13y ago
As long as I use Gmail and Google drive for free (and I'm using Adblock), they have to monetize the service they provide to me somehow. I would like to have clear option of being fed advertisements and being profiled for profits and paying for service.

psbp 13y ago

Does google data mine Drive? I always thought the monetary incentive was through the cloud storage tiers.

kyboren 13y ago

Putting your data on Google's servers in Finland won't save it from the NSA. Google's headquarters are in the US, and so Google complies with "legal" US Government data requests. Your data is subject to US Government subpoena, FISA warrant, etc. if it's stored on Google's property--wherever that property happens to be.

hannibal5 13y ago
That's incorrect. Companies must follow laws of each country. Chinese companies can't follow orders from Chinese courts if they break US laws when they operate in US. Besides, Google has local company in each country that runs business there.