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You say that kids don't actually ever get kidnapped (which is "hilarious"), then refer to some 115 children a year being kidnapped (where it must meet a list of

You say that kids don't actually ever get kidnapped (which is "hilarious"), then refer to some 115 children a year being kidnapped (where it must meet a list of conditions, and excludes the 50,000+ yearly who are temporarily abducted, often by sexual predators) as proof of your absolute statement. You have some very confused notions of numbers. And personally I find 115 children being abducted (in the more-than-a-day-taken-60-miles sense) about 115 too many (and it's simply incredible that the other poster observes that half "return", as if anything less than death is child's play). Did you know that only three to five children are killed by lightning each year? Yet preventative efforts to avoid children being hit by lightning are extremely widespread. We all know to fear lightning.

chrischen 13y ago
It could be that there are only three to five children killed by lightning each year because preventative efforts are extremely widespread.
- mikeash 13y ago
  Lightning is also trivial to defend against. The only hard part is education and awareness. A person who knows how to avoid lightning and wants to avoid it will easily reduce their chances of being struck by a huge amount. Reducing kidnapping is much harder.
- corresation 13y ago
  Indeed. We all have it pounded into our heads that lightning is dangerous. Sports have standard guidelines, strictly followed, about cancellations in weather. There are significant efforts made to avoid lightning deaths. Yet I was replying to someone who said that children "don't ever actually get kidnapped" because 115 a year apparently don't count as "ever" (half of whom get murdered, the other half harmed in various other ways, and that's ignoring the 50,000+ who are molested in bathrooms and the like, yearly). All to refute a simple statement that logging might prove useful in such a circumstance.
  - duijf 13y ago
    > All to refute a simple statement that logging might prove useful in such a circumstance. I don't think that was goal. I think he was questioning whether invading the privacy of a huge amount of individuals is worth it for that cause. How critical is it to have 2 year's worth of car-location data at your fingertips for any investigation? The question is not whether kids ever get kidnapped, but whether such a gigantic dataset aids investigation in any way. A compromise would be to delete the data after a few days, similar to what happens in Minesota, according to the article. Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(rhetoric) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(rhetoric... edit: I mistakenly assumed that hvs and rayiner were the same person. There might be something to be said for your interpretation, but I would assume the best possible one.
DanBC 13y ago
When talking about preventing children from being raped I'd prefer to concentrate on the vast numbers of children who are raped by a family member; then by someone they know (at a school or a club), than on the much fewer numbers of children raped by strangers. "Stranger danger" created an atmosphere of fear, but did little to prevent sexual abuse of children.

chrischen 13y ago

It could be that there are only three to five children killed by lightning each year because preventative efforts are extremely widespread.

mikeash 13y ago
Lightning is also trivial to defend against. The only hard part is education and awareness. A person who knows how to avoid lightning and wants to avoid it will easily reduce their chances of being struck by a huge amount. Reducing kidnapping is much harder.
corresation 13y ago
Indeed. We all have it pounded into our heads that lightning is dangerous. Sports have standard guidelines, strictly followed, about cancellations in weather. There are significant efforts made to avoid lightning deaths. Yet I was replying to someone who said that children "don't ever actually get kidnapped" because 115 a year apparently don't count as "ever" (half of whom get murdered, the other half harmed in various other ways, and that's ignoring the 50,000+ who are molested in bathrooms and the like, yearly). All to refute a simple statement that logging might prove useful in such a circumstance.
- duijf 13y ago
  > All to refute a simple statement that logging might prove useful in such a circumstance. I don't think that was goal. I think he was questioning whether invading the privacy of a huge amount of individuals is worth it for that cause. How critical is it to have 2 year's worth of car-location data at your fingertips for any investigation? The question is not whether kids ever get kidnapped, but whether such a gigantic dataset aids investigation in any way. A compromise would be to delete the data after a few days, similar to what happens in Minesota, according to the article. Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(rhetoric) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(rhetoric... edit: I mistakenly assumed that hvs and rayiner were the same person. There might be something to be said for your interpretation, but I would assume the best possible one.

DanBC 13y ago

When talking about preventing children from being raped I'd prefer to concentrate on the vast numbers of children who are raped by a family member; then by someone they know (at a school or a club), than on the much fewer numbers of children raped by strangers. "Stranger danger" created an atmosphere of fear, but did little to prevent sexual abuse of children.