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Well I can't say for sure about anything strictly US based, but up here in Canada I happen to know of one effort that is underway to move large corporate client

by kyzyl 13y ago

Well I can't say for sure about anything strictly US based, but up here in Canada I happen to know of one effort that is underway to move large corporate clients to a more private setup. Apologies for being cryptic, but I can't say much more than that. I can say it has big backing, and is designed to take advantage of the fact that Canada's privacy laws haven't quite degraded to where we're in a situation like the US. Not quite yet. The hope is that by doing things somewhat more 'right' now--ahead of the legal curve--down the road clients may not end up in as tight a situation as they are in the US legal framework. But, yes, people are working on it.

conformal 13y ago
i would not count on the canadian government not running a system that is substantially similar to the usg. intelligence services often aren't concerned with laws, so expecting legal protection matters is a very much misguided path.
- kyzyl 13y ago
  Sorry for the delay. I agree. If a powerful government wants to get something, it generally will get it. However, I think there are a couple of small differences here: 1. This venture is backed by a private fibre network. This means that all (most) of the traffic for these large clients will still be very accessible nationwide, but will not be subject to internet backbone taps (within Canada or otherwise). 2. Canada's legal system is still a ways away from the US, although Harper is trying his damnedest to change that. To my knowledge, it's still significantly harder to obtain legal wiretaps, especially blanket wire taps, than it is in the US. Naturally, legals systems can change, but for now people are trying to work within the system and stay ahead of the curve. 3. Again, a private network. This means that even in the eventuality that intelligence services were doing illegal surveillance, it's a bit harder for them to access the network without the companies and their clients knowing. That said, if Canada keeps going in the direction it is going, it probably won't matter. I'm just mentioning that people are indeed trying something in this space. Like all ventures, they are by no means guaranteed success.

by kyzyl 13y ago

conformal 13y ago

i would not count on the canadian government not running a system that is substantially similar to the usg. intelligence services often aren't concerned with laws, so expecting legal protection matters is a very much misguided path.

kyzyl 13y ago
Sorry for the delay. I agree. If a powerful government wants to get something, it generally will get it. However, I think there are a couple of small differences here: 1. This venture is backed by a private fibre network. This means that all (most) of the traffic for these large clients will still be very accessible nationwide, but will not be subject to internet backbone taps (within Canada or otherwise). 2. Canada's legal system is still a ways away from the US, although Harper is trying his damnedest to change that. To my knowledge, it's still significantly harder to obtain legal wiretaps, especially blanket wire taps, than it is in the US. Naturally, legals systems can change, but for now people are trying to work within the system and stay ahead of the curve. 3. Again, a private network. This means that even in the eventuality that intelligence services were doing illegal surveillance, it's a bit harder for them to access the network without the companies and their clients knowing. That said, if Canada keeps going in the direction it is going, it probably won't matter. I'm just mentioning that people are indeed trying something in this space. Like all ventures, they are by no means guaranteed success.