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I've had to navigate these waters while doing hardware development. A long time ago I made the mistake of going to engineering first rather than filing for a p
by robomartin 13y ago
I've had to navigate these waters while doing hardware development. A long time ago I made the mistake of going to engineering first rather than filing for a patent. As a less experienced engineer I wanted to get a (hardware + software) product built and into the market. It still took over a year's worth of a serious effort to get it done. To me, at the time, filing for a patent seemed like both a waste of money and valuable time. I despised the idea of having to translate my technology into bullshit-ease. Like I said, I just didn't have a lot of experience in that domain at the time.
I finally got the product to market. It hit a nerve and went like gangbusters, selling several hundred thousand dollars in product in the very first quarter. Not a bad launch. Six months later a competitor comes out of the woodwork with a product that was 60% of mine at 50% of the list price. A friend of mine called me thinking that I had licensed the technology because the competing company had even copied my marketing language verbatim. What a shock.
You see, hardware R&D is very expensive. The "R" part can take months, even years. Depending on the field of application and the problem being solved costs can be staggering. One example of this are medical products. If you can bypass the "R" and go straight to "D" you can put out a product for a lot less money. that's exactly what happened to me. Not only did my competitors bypass "R" but they also benefited from the work and expense I went through to identify a market.
That's when you look back and want to kick yourself in the ass for not having taken the time to file for a patent. Lesson learned the hard way.
Many years and lots of mistakes later I emerged with far more wisdom about both engineering and business. One of my observations was that patents are nothing more than necessary weapons of war. Business is war. No question about it. And so, whether you like it or not, if your opponent is using guns you have to have guns as well. Not having patents exposes you to an indeterminate level of danger. As we have seen over the years, both legitimate patent holders and trolls can surface out of nowhere and almost shut you down. Having a granted patent you can point to gives you the ability to say "go away" with some authority.
Years ago I viewed the open culture of web startups with a degree of incredulity. Based on my experiences, I simply could not believe entrepreneurs would put it all on the table for anyone to see. That goes counter what you want to do in the hardware world. Keep it quiet and get it patented or you'll get screwed. That's the winning model.
While small software startups continue with the open philosophy, larger companies like Apple and others file patents at a furious rate. Interesting. Patents are expensive and very time consuming. Perhaps the disparity between small and large companies and what they can do with regards to filing software patents should be reason enough to abolish software patents. The little guys simply can't play the same game.
While I am decidedly anti-patent when it comes to software-only products I have trouble finding fault in the idea of patents for physical or hardware inventions. Don't get me wrong, I still want to see patents only be granted for real inventions. What constitutes a real invention? That's a whole new discussion. That said, the standard of proof should be harder and harder to meet as the years go by. Today it should be nearly impossible to get any kind of patent. Why? Because it is harder to actually invent anything new. Almost every patent I've reviewed (hundreds) are implementations or regurgitations of implementations obfuscated enough to make them look like an invention.
- jacques_chester 13y ago> The little guys simply can't play the same game. Not on anything like the same scale. I only rarely mention this on HN because it's like being a particularly obnoxious lightning rod in the tropics, but I have a patent pending at the moment. It's been a slow and expensive process. So far I am about AUD $17k into the process. This has netted me a WIPO PCT filing, which I have now parlayed into an Australian filing and soon a USPTO filing. What nobody tells you at the beginning is that it all takes much longer than you think it will. And costs a lot more, because you have to file in each country independently. If I am granted a US patent, that's the lynchpin, the key element that would make a portfolio of patents worth a damn. But then I will still need to stump thousands more dollars per country to file elsewhere. A company like Apple doesn't have the problem of fretting over the cashflow implications. They are not carefully shepherding a single filing that cost-wise represents a meaningful fraction of their revenue and assets. Instead, to many companies, patents are a pipeline. A factory. They have on-staff lawyers to pump a constant stream of applications into global offices. They have economies of scale and generous cashflows that I simply don't. Because of the economics of the situation, patents favour wealthy incumbents, not upstart inventors. There's been a priority inversion.
- sillysaurus 13y agoSeventeen thousand dollars? For one patent? (AUD $17k = USD $15.7k according to Google.) My car cost $6,500 USD. What are you buying for the price of $15,700? Just protection against competitors using your idea?
- jacques_chester 13y agoSeventeen thousand, yes. For two patents, technically. Well, even more technically: for two patent applications and a WIPO assessment that my technology is sufficiently novel and inventive to be patentable in most treaty countries. > Just protection against competitors using your idea? Yes and no. Certainly not protection of a business model, and not protection of a feature. It's a technology which underpins several potential business models, but while it is a better technology, it is not a necessary technology. A competitor -- and some exist already -- can bodge along without it, but they will inevitably have a PR disaster that my technology effectively prevents. The real purpose of the patent is to increase attractiveness to investors and to encourage potential startup competitors to look at other markets. And if it all goes to total crap, I can still put the patent on my résumé. Or not, depending on what kind of company I'm applying to. You'll forgive me if I don't discuss the subject matter of the patent. My competitors could easily burn up more of my cash by raising constant, spurious objections. Another part of the patent game.