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"I see a lot of confirmation bias in these kinds of threads." and I see yet again, another apologist for the herd mindset.

by Taranis 13y ago

cromwellian 13y ago
Enlighten me, what is the herd mindset? Was Mr Spock on Star Trek or Data "part of a herd mindset", because they didn't engage in verbal insults on the crew when they disagreed?
- Taranis 13y ago
  Let's not beat around the bush. This is exactly the type of insidious tripe that wants to make everyone the same, that wants to live in a gingerbread world where they hold hands and sing Kumbayah. We tell kids in school and adults to "be themselves and be an individual", yet, your way of thinking wants to remove any individuality and homogenize them so every one is polite and considerate of everyone else's garbage opinion as if they all had equal weight, They do not. Telling people they are doing something dumb, even in harsh terms can be useful, as it will drive the point home. That's not to say be mean, but, be direct and upfront.
  - cromwellian 13y ago
    Oh that's right, not wanting people to be jerks is tantamount for wanting _Harrison Bergeron_. This slippery slope argument is garbage and YOU are a piece of shit for advocating it! You must watch Fox news and are a devotee of "shock jock" radio that tickles your reptilian brain and amps up the right neurotransmitters in the risk reward system to crave impolite and rude behavior! (I hope I drove home the point with that bogus rant that individuality-through-angry-shouting doesn't elevate the debate at all, it just incentivizes the other party to become even more recalcitrant and unreasonable) Hot tempers and passionate are not the problem. Strongly worded rebuttals are not a problem. Direct ad hominem attacks are just unnecessary. You can be strong and aggressive without telling people to "SHUT THE FUCK UP" Trust me, being a dick isn't only way to be adversarial.
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    - jlgreco 13y ago
      > Oh that's right, not wanting people to be jerks is tantamount for wanting _Harrison Bergeron_. Literally? No. Nobody is suggesting that we weigh down others with chains. Of course I don't think Vonnegut was being literal either...
    - Taranis 13y ago
      I like the bogus example because though you claim it's bogus it went through your mind I may very well watch Fox News given my focus on individualism. I find it fascinating that people that have a difference of view point are always lumped into a black or white view of the world so people can "figure them out". That observation aside, I easily see what your point is, but I don't agree with the principle of it. In this case this wasn't a direct ad hominem attack by Linus. I fail to see that given the rest of the email thread. More importantly however is the fact that the individualism involved is what makes things interesting and gets the points across. Since you like literature it seems, you should surely understand the importance of the reviews and critics of such works. Often these were quite brutal, but again they drove home the points, whether they are right or wrong isn't the issue either. A sugar coated world just isn't a reflection of a real world.

"I see a lot of confirmation bias in these kinds of threads." and I see yet again, another apologist for the herd mindset.

by Taranis 13y ago

"I see a lot of confirmation bias in these kinds of threads." and I see yet again, another apologist for the herd mindset.

cromwellian 13y ago

Enlighten me, what is the herd mindset? Was Mr Spock on Star Trek or Data "part of a herd mindset", because they didn't engage in verbal insults on the crew when they disagreed?

Taranis 13y ago
Let's not beat around the bush. This is exactly the type of insidious tripe that wants to make everyone the same, that wants to live in a gingerbread world where they hold hands and sing Kumbayah. We tell kids in school and adults to "be themselves and be an individual", yet, your way of thinking wants to remove any individuality and homogenize them so every one is polite and considerate of everyone else's garbage opinion as if they all had equal weight, They do not. Telling people they are doing something dumb, even in harsh terms can be useful, as it will drive the point home. That's not to say be mean, but, be direct and upfront.
- cromwellian 13y ago
  Oh that's right, not wanting people to be jerks is tantamount for wanting _Harrison Bergeron_. This slippery slope argument is garbage and YOU are a piece of shit for advocating it! You must watch Fox news and are a devotee of "shock jock" radio that tickles your reptilian brain and amps up the right neurotransmitters in the risk reward system to crave impolite and rude behavior! (I hope I drove home the point with that bogus rant that individuality-through-angry-shouting doesn't elevate the debate at all, it just incentivizes the other party to become even more recalcitrant and unreasonable) Hot tempers and passionate are not the problem. Strongly worded rebuttals are not a problem. Direct ad hominem attacks are just unnecessary. You can be strong and aggressive without telling people to "SHUT THE FUCK UP" Trust me, being a dick isn't only way to be adversarial.
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  - jlgreco 13y ago
    > Oh that's right, not wanting people to be jerks is tantamount for wanting _Harrison Bergeron_. Literally? No. Nobody is suggesting that we weigh down others with chains. Of course I don't think Vonnegut was being literal either...
  - Taranis 13y ago
    I like the bogus example because though you claim it's bogus it went through your mind I may very well watch Fox News given my focus on individualism. I find it fascinating that people that have a difference of view point are always lumped into a black or white view of the world so people can "figure them out". That observation aside, I easily see what your point is, but I don't agree with the principle of it. In this case this wasn't a direct ad hominem attack by Linus. I fail to see that given the rest of the email thread. More importantly however is the fact that the individualism involved is what makes things interesting and gets the points across. Since you like literature it seems, you should surely understand the importance of the reviews and critics of such works. Often these were quite brutal, but again they drove home the points, whether they are right or wrong isn't the issue either. A sugar coated world just isn't a reflection of a real world.