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I've actually been storing my Logic projects on GitHub for a while. It works pretty well for the most part, but I do run into some issues when dealing with the

by Griever 13y ago

I've actually been storing my Logic projects on GitHub for a while. It works pretty well for the most part, but I do run into some issues when dealing with the size of the files. Perhaps Logic X shrinks them down in size a bit in comparison to Logic 9, but I doubt it. Here's the repo if you are interested: https://github.com/jpsullivan/LogicProjects https://github.com/jpsullivan/LogicProjects One day I'd really like to make an open source album that people could fork to remix entirely new sounds. It'd also be nice to get some people talking about best practices when mixing. Perhaps a Logic Bootstrap if you will.

wavesounds 13y ago
I was also thinking about how cool open source albums would be! Your 'band' could now be 100 different people all spread out around the world. Then perhaps instead of an album being 'done' we'll just release v1.0.
- IanChiles 13y ago
  And then if you had an idea on how to improve the music, it would just be a nice fork-edit-pull request away from improving the album. Truly collaborative music could be really cool.
  - williamcotton 13y ago
    > Truly collaborative music could be really cool. Oh, the irony...
  - malkomalko 13y ago
    This is what my partner and I are trying to do with instajams.com. We've just soft launched and are in the process of getting feedback from some friends, but the jamming portion of it is rock solid.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    >And then if you had an idea on how to improve the music, it would just be a nice fork-edit-pull request away from improving the album. Truly collaborative music could be really cool. Only artists don't usually like it when somebody else "improves" their music -- that's a recipy for havoc. They have what is called a "vision" for their piece, so that any improvement would have to play within that vision. Not to mention that what's an "improvement" to one, is an abomination for another.
- minikites 13y ago
  I wonder if it would have the same issues as the "open source" collaborative cookie: http://log.scifihifi.com/post/344372246/it-may-have-been-a-fine-cookie-but-since-no http://log.scifihifi.com/post/344372246/it-may-have-been-a-f... >[Y]ou’ll probably recognize the "Dream Team" of expert bakers convened by Gundrum as his "open source" group falling into the same sorts of traps (a lack of coherent vision, a reluctance to discount any idea, an obsession with novel and exotic techniques, a mounting frustration as individual contributors struggle to be heard). In the end, they turn in a passable but uninspiring product, while the traditional R&D team wins the competition by acting on a bit of clever insight from its leader.
  - wavesounds 13y ago
    That's a really interesting point. IIRC in the Cathedral and The Bazaar[1] the author points out that a big part of the reason Linux was so successful is because Linus was such a master at running the project. Perhaps thats what these cookies were missing and perhaps an open source album would also need a 'Conductor' picking and choosing the best pull requests otherwise I could definitely see it resulting in lowest-common denominator blandness. 1. http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-bazaar/ http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-baza...
- dfrey 13y ago
  I'm sure this has been done a number of times before, but this group is comprised of two people who have never met in person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_for_Three http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_for_Three!
  - wavesounds 13y ago
    Yeah The Postal Service are another famous example: "The band's name was chosen due to the way in which it produced its songs. Tamborello wrote and performed instrumental tracks and then sent the DATs to Gibbard, who edited the song as he saw fit (adding his vocals along the way) and sent them back to Tamborello through the United States Postal Service." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postal_Service http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postal_Service
tomphoolery 13y ago
Git will always freak when you have large WAV files in there. Use git-media to offload that to an external file server: https://github.com/schacon/git-media https://github.com/schacon/git-media
bennyg 13y ago
I've been toying with the idea of recording an open-source album, or at least recording the entire album the way I want and source-controlling it on Github at first. After the initial launch, I'd open-source it and start a whole remix side adventure with the album to see what happens. My only problem is lack of serious recording software, as all I have is a USB Blue Yeti mic and Garageband.
coldtea 13y ago
>It works pretty well for the most part, but I do run into some issues when dealing with the size of the files. Perhaps Logic X shrinks them down in size a bit in comparison to Logic 9, but I doubt it. How would it "shrink" them? You record uncompressed audio in high resolution and bitrate. At the very best it could half them if it could use some loseless algorithm, but DAWs record and use AIFF and WAV.
- Griever 13y ago
  There are more files in a logic project than just .wav files.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    Sure, but the audio files are those that contribute most to the size. The size of MIDI/automation files, for example, are insignificant. As for samples, those are usually referenced from outside the project.

by Griever 13y ago

wavesounds 13y ago

I was also thinking about how cool open source albums would be! Your 'band' could now be 100 different people all spread out around the world. Then perhaps instead of an album being 'done' we'll just release v1.0.

IanChiles 13y ago
And then if you had an idea on how to improve the music, it would just be a nice fork-edit-pull request away from improving the album. Truly collaborative music could be really cool.
- williamcotton 13y ago
  > Truly collaborative music could be really cool. Oh, the irony...
- malkomalko 13y ago
  This is what my partner and I are trying to do with instajams.com. We've just soft launched and are in the process of getting feedback from some friends, but the jamming portion of it is rock solid.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >And then if you had an idea on how to improve the music, it would just be a nice fork-edit-pull request away from improving the album. Truly collaborative music could be really cool. Only artists don't usually like it when somebody else "improves" their music -- that's a recipy for havoc. They have what is called a "vision" for their piece, so that any improvement would have to play within that vision. Not to mention that what's an "improvement" to one, is an abomination for another.
minikites 13y ago
I wonder if it would have the same issues as the "open source" collaborative cookie: http://log.scifihifi.com/post/344372246/it-may-have-been-a-fine-cookie-but-since-no http://log.scifihifi.com/post/344372246/it-may-have-been-a-f... >[Y]ou’ll probably recognize the "Dream Team" of expert bakers convened by Gundrum as his "open source" group falling into the same sorts of traps (a lack of coherent vision, a reluctance to discount any idea, an obsession with novel and exotic techniques, a mounting frustration as individual contributors struggle to be heard). In the end, they turn in a passable but uninspiring product, while the traditional R&D team wins the competition by acting on a bit of clever insight from its leader.
- wavesounds 13y ago
  That's a really interesting point. IIRC in the Cathedral and The Bazaar[1] the author points out that a big part of the reason Linux was so successful is because Linus was such a master at running the project. Perhaps thats what these cookies were missing and perhaps an open source album would also need a 'Conductor' picking and choosing the best pull requests otherwise I could definitely see it resulting in lowest-common denominator blandness. 1. http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-bazaar/ http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-baza...
dfrey 13y ago
I'm sure this has been done a number of times before, but this group is comprised of two people who have never met in person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_for_Three http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_for_Three!
- wavesounds 13y ago
  Yeah The Postal Service are another famous example: "The band's name was chosen due to the way in which it produced its songs. Tamborello wrote and performed instrumental tracks and then sent the DATs to Gibbard, who edited the song as he saw fit (adding his vocals along the way) and sent them back to Tamborello through the United States Postal Service." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postal_Service http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postal_Service

tomphoolery 13y ago

Git will always freak when you have large WAV files in there. Use git-media to offload that to an external file server: https://github.com/schacon/git-media https://github.com/schacon/git-media

bennyg 13y ago

I've been toying with the idea of recording an open-source album, or at least recording the entire album the way I want and source-controlling it on Github at first. After the initial launch, I'd open-source it and start a whole remix side adventure with the album to see what happens. My only problem is lack of serious recording software, as all I have is a USB Blue Yeti mic and Garageband.

coldtea 13y ago

>It works pretty well for the most part, but I do run into some issues when dealing with the size of the files. Perhaps Logic X shrinks them down in size a bit in comparison to Logic 9, but I doubt it. How would it "shrink" them? You record uncompressed audio in high resolution and bitrate. At the very best it could half them if it could use some loseless algorithm, but DAWs record and use AIFF and WAV.

Griever 13y ago
There are more files in a logic project than just .wav files.
- coldtea 13y ago
  Sure, but the audio files are those that contribute most to the size. The size of MIDI/automation files, for example, are insignificant. As for samples, those are usually referenced from outside the project.