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What does this have to do with advertising? Since when is advertsing equated with speech? The type of advertising blocked by Adblock is a form of unsolicited co

by enneff 17y ago

What does this have to do with advertising? Since when is advertsing equated with speech? The type of advertising blocked by Adblock is a form of unsolicited communication. Your analogy is a terrible one, by the way. A better one is picking up an ad-supported magazine, and asking a helpful friend (one whose judgement you trust - the parallel here being to the EasyList maintainers) to rip all the ads out for you before you read it. If people could block ads on TV and in print, prevent themselves from seeing billboards, etc, newsflash: they would! If I could go through my life without being subjected to people trying to sell me stuff all the time, I would be a much happier person. Just because we grew up in a world dominated by consumerism does not mean that's the way it should be, or the only way it can be. If more people were proactive in refusing to be marketed to I believe the benefits would be positive for all of society.

lucumo 17y ago
> What does this have to do with advertising? Since when is advertsing equated with speech? The type of advertising blocked by Adblock is a form of unsolicited communication. You solicited it with your visit to the site. You didn't leave when confronted with the choice of using my site and viewing ads or leaving. If you don't like my ads, by all means: LEAVE.
- sho 17y ago
  You solicited my visit by putting your website on the internet and leading me there by some means. Now I'm going to view it on my own terms. If you don't like that, block me, or take down your site.
  - axod 17y ago
    I'll block you thanks. Don't be surprised if your browsing experience starts to suck as more sites follow suit. Just like if I own a bookstore and you come in every day and read books and never buy anything. Pretty soon I'll ban you.
    - enneff 17y ago
      Why so smug? You should know there's no way to possibly prevent people blocking your ads.
  - lucumo 17y ago
    Sure. And if I'd opened a store and invited customers in, I was also inviting shop lifters. You know, because I solicited them by opening a store and leading them in by some means, so now they should use the store on their own terms. I invited genuine customers of course, not leeches.
- enneff 17y ago
  Actually, I made an HTTP request to the main page, and then selectively loaded the rest of the page. How can you possibly argue that it's somehow my moral responsibility to load a web page in it's entirety? It's a patently ridiculous notion, and if your business model cannot support people that do it you're fucked.
  - lucumo 17y ago
    > Actually, I made an HTTP request to the main page, and then selectively loaded the rest of the page. How can you possibly argue that it's somehow my moral responsibility to load a web page in it's entirety? You're not doing this by hand. The selectively loading argument is patently absurd. You're altering the standard behaviour of your web browser with the strict intention of denying a site owner their revenue source. You're using something without paying for it. > and if your business model cannot support people that do it you're fucked. This is not about my business model. My business model can support it fine, partly because there's so few people like you. No, this is about morally corrupt people that need a lesson in civility.
axod 17y ago
>> "newsflash: they would!" No. They wouldn't. Guess how I know what films are out at the moment. I look at billboards. I see adverts. They tell me useful stuff. You're a tiny tiny minority. >> "Just because we grew up in a world dominated by consumerism does not mean that's the way it should be, or the only way it can be. If more people were proactive in refusing to be marketed to I believe the benefits would be positive for all of society." You seem to be under the delusion that marketing is a bad thing. It's providing useful information to potential consumers. It works. People like it. It's not going away.
- dhimes 17y ago
  Then, axod, you shouldn't have any problem with those of us who like to block ads. You get to do what you want (not block them), and we can do what we want. We should have no argument.
  - axod 17y ago
    I don't have a problem with you blocking ads, but I don't understand why you want to. In the same way I can't understand people who think consumerism is bad. Just don't come running to me when you can no longer visit most websites since they've blocked you.
    - dhimes 17y ago
      +1 for not suffering my whining when it implodes. I started blocking ads when certain sites would bog down my browser with flash (namely, Entrepreneur.com). That's when I discovered ABP. It's just a nicer surfing experience for me without them. But then again, I'm the kind of person that thinks Nike is crazy if they expect me to pay for a t-shirt that simply says "Nike" on it (or carries their swoosh). Just between you and me (I doubt anybody else is reading any more) I get annoyed at movie previews for the same reason...:) I think I'm the only one on the planet with that particular defective gene.
      - axod 17y ago

by enneff 17y ago

lucumo 17y ago

> What does this have to do with advertising? Since when is advertsing equated with speech? The type of advertising blocked by Adblock is a form of unsolicited communication. You solicited it with your visit to the site. You didn't leave when confronted with the choice of using my site and viewing ads or leaving. If you don't like my ads, by all means: LEAVE.

sho 17y ago
You solicited my visit by putting your website on the internet and leading me there by some means. Now I'm going to view it on my own terms. If you don't like that, block me, or take down your site.
- axod 17y ago
  I'll block you thanks. Don't be surprised if your browsing experience starts to suck as more sites follow suit. Just like if I own a bookstore and you come in every day and read books and never buy anything. Pretty soon I'll ban you.
  - enneff 17y ago
    Why so smug? You should know there's no way to possibly prevent people blocking your ads.
- lucumo 17y ago
  Sure. And if I'd opened a store and invited customers in, I was also inviting shop lifters. You know, because I solicited them by opening a store and leading them in by some means, so now they should use the store on their own terms. I invited genuine customers of course, not leeches.
enneff 17y ago
Actually, I made an HTTP request to the main page, and then selectively loaded the rest of the page. How can you possibly argue that it's somehow my moral responsibility to load a web page in it's entirety? It's a patently ridiculous notion, and if your business model cannot support people that do it you're fucked.
- lucumo 17y ago
  > Actually, I made an HTTP request to the main page, and then selectively loaded the rest of the page. How can you possibly argue that it's somehow my moral responsibility to load a web page in it's entirety? You're not doing this by hand. The selectively loading argument is patently absurd. You're altering the standard behaviour of your web browser with the strict intention of denying a site owner their revenue source. You're using something without paying for it. > and if your business model cannot support people that do it you're fucked. This is not about my business model. My business model can support it fine, partly because there's so few people like you. No, this is about morally corrupt people that need a lesson in civility.

axod 17y ago

>> "newsflash: they would!" No. They wouldn't. Guess how I know what films are out at the moment. I look at billboards. I see adverts. They tell me useful stuff. You're a tiny tiny minority. >> "Just because we grew up in a world dominated by consumerism does not mean that's the way it should be, or the only way it can be. If more people were proactive in refusing to be marketed to I believe the benefits would be positive for all of society." You seem to be under the delusion that marketing is a bad thing. It's providing useful information to potential consumers. It works. People like it. It's not going away.

dhimes 17y ago
Then, axod, you shouldn't have any problem with those of us who like to block ads. You get to do what you want (not block them), and we can do what we want. We should have no argument.
- axod 17y ago
  I don't have a problem with you blocking ads, but I don't understand why you want to. In the same way I can't understand people who think consumerism is bad. Just don't come running to me when you can no longer visit most websites since they've blocked you.
  - dhimes 17y ago
    +1 for not suffering my whining when it implodes. I started blocking ads when certain sites would bog down my browser with flash (namely, Entrepreneur.com). That's when I discovered ABP. It's just a nicer surfing experience for me without them. But then again, I'm the kind of person that thinks Nike is crazy if they expect me to pay for a t-shirt that simply says "Nike" on it (or carries their swoosh). Just between you and me (I doubt anybody else is reading any more) I get annoyed at movie previews for the same reason...:) I think I'm the only one on the planet with that particular defective gene.
    - axod 17y ago