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It's not meant in an ironic sense. I'd agree there are degrees of someone being a dick. There is also the matter of it being done in different context, it's di

by Ygg2 13y ago

It's not meant in an ironic sense. I'd agree there are degrees of someone being a dick. There is also the matter of it being done in different context, it's different to be a asshole in public is different that in semi-privacy of a mailing list. Another thing to note, that both commenters didn't go into foreign language swear mode :) and called Linus a devil's cunthead. They pointed out he is behaving as douchebag.

vacri 13y ago
If it's not meant in an ironic sense, then why post the comments? You have people complaining that someone isn't acting professionally... and then not acting professionally. It serves to bolster Torvalds' point, not weaken it. If the response is 'context', then it should also be pointed out that we only ever see the slimmest speck of his emails from the list and we never see them in the context in which they're presented. As someone else in the thread mentioned, we don't see the many messages where he doesn't behave this way; we don't see the actual personality that is seen when working with him.
- Ygg2 13y ago
  Again acting professionally, isn't their job, they are commenting on thread on Slashdot, not on a Github issue or LK mailing list, which is his implied business (as in things that keeps him busy around the day and that he strives to prefect professionally). It's true we might miss some of the context by not being there, that said, from his previous discussions you can draw a lot of observation that help clarify the current context. Point of the messages was that him acting "unprofessional" will actually cause the same behavior he is trying to avoid by acting "unprofessional".
  - vacri 13y ago
    One of the links isn't about professionalism, it's about politeness, and the author is not being polite in return. The 'jobness' of the comment is irrelevant. The other comment spends the first half in character assassination and really gives us no particular reason to consider that author particularly versed in how to behave professionally. The thing is, if you stop and actually read how Torvalds presents himself, it's not just spewing forth expletives. There is a lot of consideration and thought behind what he says. It's just that this hoopla erupts because occasionally an uptight person makes a complete meal of things by publicising one of these comments out of the greater context. It's pretty much textbook yellow journalism.
    - Ygg2 13y ago
      I've read his argument concerning Minix, and I'm pretty sure that entire thread wasn't out of context. It was just him being a douchebag i.e. an annoying, abrasive person.

by Ygg2 13y ago

vacri 13y ago

If it's not meant in an ironic sense, then why post the comments? You have people complaining that someone isn't acting professionally... and then not acting professionally. It serves to bolster Torvalds' point, not weaken it. If the response is 'context', then it should also be pointed out that we only ever see the slimmest speck of his emails from the list and we never see them in the context in which they're presented. As someone else in the thread mentioned, we don't see the many messages where he doesn't behave this way; we don't see the actual personality that is seen when working with him.

Ygg2 13y ago
Again acting professionally, isn't their job, they are commenting on thread on Slashdot, not on a Github issue or LK mailing list, which is his implied business (as in things that keeps him busy around the day and that he strives to prefect professionally). It's true we might miss some of the context by not being there, that said, from his previous discussions you can draw a lot of observation that help clarify the current context. Point of the messages was that him acting "unprofessional" will actually cause the same behavior he is trying to avoid by acting "unprofessional".
- vacri 13y ago
  One of the links isn't about professionalism, it's about politeness, and the author is not being polite in return. The 'jobness' of the comment is irrelevant. The other comment spends the first half in character assassination and really gives us no particular reason to consider that author particularly versed in how to behave professionally. The thing is, if you stop and actually read how Torvalds presents himself, it's not just spewing forth expletives. There is a lot of consideration and thought behind what he says. It's just that this hoopla erupts because occasionally an uptight person makes a complete meal of things by publicising one of these comments out of the greater context. It's pretty much textbook yellow journalism.
  - Ygg2 13y ago
    I've read his argument concerning Minix, and I'm pretty sure that entire thread wasn't out of context. It was just him being a douchebag i.e. an annoying, abrasive person.